HSM Recognizes Puntland Is Independent

[DR OSMAN]

WASIIRKA ARRIMAHA DIBADDA OO SOO GAARAY GAROWE​

Wasiirka Arrimaha Dibadda iyo Iskaashiga Caalamiga ee Dowladda Fedwraalka Soomaaliya, Abshir Cumar Huruuse ayaa maanta soo gaaray magaalada Garowe ee xarunta Puntland.

Wasiir Huruuse, waxaa garoonka diyaaradaha Gen. Maxamed Abshir ee Garowe ku soo dhaweeyay mas’uuliyiin ka tirsan Puntland oo ay ka mid yihiin Wasiirka Arrimaha Gudaha Maxamed Cabdiraxmaan Dhabancad, Wasiirka Maaliyadda Xasan Shire Abgaal iyo Wasiirka Duulista Hawada iyo Garoomada Ilyaas Cismaan Lugatoor.

Wasiirka Arrimaha Dibada ayaa hordhac u ah Madaxweyne Xasan Sheekh oo maalmaha soo socda soo gaari doona Puntlnd.

 

[DR OSMAN]

What a fkn 'dameer' waxasi ayaa dawlad loo dortay, u think any1 HG backs is going to be high IQ.

SFG Foreign affairs visits Puntland, Puntland is an independent country.

 

[DR OSMAN]

The standard protocol before is to send 'ministry of interior' to the regions and allocate Isaaq to Ministry of foreign affair, since no-one in foreign affaairs would visit SL from the SFG becuz of fears of 'isaaq' cryin somalia has recognized us.

 

[bidenkulaha]

Listen you could’ve added your complaints to threads below, many focused on PL trip but I will address your complaint.

Huruuse is co-chair of Mideye and is not only coming on behalf of HSM as his delegation but also to mediate the tense situation in Bosaso. He’s Diyaano’s right hand man.

This is also a political slap in the face of Deni by HSM after Deni requested to be visited by HSM instead of the PM which was originally planned. Hopefully however Huruuse can sweet talk Deni into improving ties with the FGS.

The standard protocol before is to send 'ministry of interior' to the regions and allocate Isaaq to Ministry of foreign affair, since no-one in foreign affaairs would visit SL from the SFG becuz of fears of 'isaaq' cryin somalia has recognized us.

The 3 top positions after President (ignoring intelligence/army) are PM, Foreign Minister, Interior Minister. Huruuse was a major financial backer of HSM and after HSM decided on OG PM, he gave the next best job to Huruuse.

Imagine wasting this position on a fugitive Isaaqi.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@bidenkulaha He will open a Somalia Embassy and Puntland will open an embassy in hamar. This is a huge injection into PIM movement. From there Puntland will seek other countries to follow suit in recognition. The agreement will be 99 year treaty with 25 year interval(once in a generation lifetime) review on a federal union and if it fails in 25 years we will hold similar discussion in another 25 years untill the 99 year treaty has expired.. All puntites n Somalis will be happy.

 

[bidenkulaha]

@bidenkulaha He will open a Somalia Embassy and Puntland will open an embassy in hamar. This is a huge injection into PIM movement. From there Puntland will seek other countries to follow suit in recognition. The agreement will be 99 year treaty with 25 year interval(once in a generation lifetime) review on a federal union and if it fails in 25 years we will hold similar discussion in another 25 years untill the 99 year treaty has expired.. All puntites n Somalis will be happy.

He’s just a delegation, high level one in fact (he’s not acting in his Foreign Minister capacity) and it’s better to have an MJ receive an MJ so they sort out the differences between FMS and FGS before HSM comes. Nothing major

 

[DR OSMAN]

@bidenkulaha Puntland has a constitution, laws, and long-term policy(not switchin kastumo like u and other somalis) another MJ in hamar will not change shit niyahow, baro 'siyasadu' we keep our politics for long term, we don't switch alliances and we dont switch enemies. Their is long-term political stability u think we gonna risk all that for some SFG majerten looooool, maybe thats how HG n abgaaaal play and we see where ur region is for your politics.

 

[bidenkulaha]

@bidenkulaha Puntland has a constitution, laws, and long-term policy(not switchin kastumo like u and other somalis) another MJ in hamar will not change shit niyahow, baro 'siyasadu' we keep our politics for long term, we don't switch alliances and we dont switch enemies. Their is long-term political stability u think we gonna risk all that for some SFG majerten looooool, maybe thats how HG n abgaaaal play and we see where ur region is for your politics.

Deni needs reassurances HSM won't support his opposition. I'm sure they can work together on droughts regardless of the political differences they may have. But FGS has a major reform agenda and it's best to bring along the FMS's with it.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@bidenkulaha I know HG prefer MJ/Isaaq politics cuz it's stabilized them while u hate abgaal since the capital is burning and no amount of hiraab will move abgaal on you besides Wacaysle, so your stuck with a divided abgaal, no hiraab, while watching MJ/Isaaq 'qabyalad' benefited them and abgaal fake 'somalinimo' hasn't benefited them, it's just invited every qashin into hamar who shit all over it from somalis to the whole world.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@bidenkulaha learn 'qabyalad' let your isimo sit down and unite hiraaab and say 'danaha hiraab' waaa a,b,c and no matter who comes they can't switch from those points. That's what MJ did in 98 and ever since the policy has been the same no matter what mj is elected, even if Mideeye n Diyano win, it won't change as the isimo will tell them 'dadkan way tashdeen' maa aha hawiye oo lagu dhul ciyaaari karo, wax ku dar ba la oranaya lakin wax lagama dhimi karo. Learn Majerten politics rather then wasting time on 'im gonna back your enemy' nonsense.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@bidenkulaha Besides mideeye is finished, they took the 'bait' from Deni and caused instability over the PSF leadership, hadu tanasuli lahaa and show he is wadani, all mj wud vote for them but he didn't. It's either Kaah or the Farole horseed party that will win in 2024. Deni is the only one who won as everyone supports him by a landslide. He destroyed mideeye reputation as hamar trojan horses which no MJ will vote 4.

 

[bidenkulaha]

@bidenkulaha I know HG prefer MJ/Isaaq politics cuz it's stabilized them while u hate abgaal since the capital is burning and no amount of hiraab will move abgaal on you besides Wacaysle, so your stuck with a divided abgaal, no hiraab, while watching MJ/Isaaq 'qabyalad' benefited them and abgaal fake 'somalinimo' hasn't benefited them, it's just invited every qashin into hamar who shit all over it from somalis to the whole world.

You touched on a good point actually but it's irrelevant to the thread. Somalinimo is a failed idea, no one should welcome outsiders out of 'somalinimo'. It should be strictly work/business related. Once they run out of usefulness they should be kicked out.

However unlike you I believe every Somali should focus on his own area and share a Somali state that projects strength to shisheeye countries. Balkanisation is not needed to accomplish this. Biggest enemy to Hawiye agenda are Ethiopia and Kenya (although less so nowadays as Hawiye business have made a massive mark in Kenya economy) so we are the biggest losers of a broken up Somalia.

We should focus on a united GM+HS+Banadir state. I believe things are changing however and Wacyesle aren't the only AG realising the need for a wider Hiraab alliance and to focus on Hiraab interest first. Muuse Suudi (Daud, AG) is actually organising Hiraab meetings right now.

 

[bidenkulaha]

@bidenkulaha Besides mideeye is finished, they took the 'bait' from Deni and caused instability over the PSF leadership, hadu tanasuli lahaa and show he is wadani, all mj wud vote for them but he didn't. It's either Kaah or the Farole horseed party that will win in 2024. Deni is the only one who won as everyone supports him by a landslide. He destroyed mideeye reputation as hamar trojan horses which no MJ will vote 4.

We'll see, due to inflation and droughts Deni is going to find it hard to campaign in a 1m1v election imo.

I support Mideye, Diyano has shown he can actually work with the FGS and a willingness to shake things up with the PSF repelling Deni's forces in Bosaso. He has a loyal following and can challenge the status quo of PL Presidents being controlled by AJ.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@bidenkulaha u HAGS think by backing opposition aligned to hamar in PL will benefit HAG, u tried that in 2001, learn from your mistakes. These PSF boys just ally with u, get SFG fundss, then switch on 'day 1' in office back to 'mj long term policy'. Deni did the same, he was dam jadiid in HSM government in 2016, he can't survive in PL with that so he was told to switch. So no matter who u back, they will switch to reality when in PL and abadon u.

Im not worried about HAG involvement in PL politics, as puntites will vote for non hag and even if the HAG backed guy wins, the ISIMO will step in to force him to follow our constitution and what our long term agreements are.

 

[bidenkulaha]

@bidenkulaha u HAGS think by backing opposition aligned to hamar in PL will benefit HAG, u tried that in 2001, learn from your mistakes. These PSF boys just ally with u, get SFG fundss, then switch on 'day 1' in office back to 'mj long term policy'. Deni did the same, he was dam jadiid in HSM government in 2016, he can't survive in PL with that so he was told to switch. So no mattere who u back, they will switch to reality when in PL and abadon u.

Yes I mentioned that the PL President is controlled by the elites. But Deni was a successful DJ plant for HSM as without him there'd have been no one to fight Farmaajo like Deni had done and also get the support from in the final round.

Diyaano however has done something no PL President, he defeated Deni in Bosaso with effectively his own militia and once we go to 1m1v he will be a formidable force who won't be able to be controlled by Parliament inshallah.

 

[DR OSMAN]

My embassy out-reach plan for Puntland is limited to 10 or nations.

1. America due to our huge diaspora and security partnership(psf)
2. UK assigned as a development partner
3. Sweden huge diaspora our development partner
4. Malaysia-India-China as our student scholarship hub and health
5. Kenya-Ethiopia due to our diaspora(kenya) or trade/security partnership(ethiopia)
6. Rwanda our 'big brother' model on how to build a proper state after a civil war.
7. Cuba excellent n cheap medical student hub which is internationally endorsed to boost our medical student ratio in Puntland with quality education.
8. Saudi-Kuwait livestock trade n development partners. Oman Historical friendship partner. Dubai security n political friend.
9. I would target a Pharmaceutical giant country so we can start developing medicine warehouses in Puntland. Health care is huge 'gap' in african market and common diseases and no competition, reminds me of 1960s when MJ bought trucks and now own oil companies in african companies, NO COMPETITION back then. Now medicine production warehouses is the no competition field in africa for us.

I would 'seek' more reliable trade partners as our population skills-health increases. Either training them in short supply global skills in rich countries and getting them work visas or creating our own products/goods n trade or a mix of both

 

[codewebsduh]

What a fkn 'dameer' waxasi ayaa dawlad loo dortay, u think any1 HG backs is going to be high IQ.

SFG Foreign affairs visits Puntland, Puntland is an independent country.

He is a low IQ doqon wallahi. Even Puntland was surprised when he sent a foreign minister.

HSM only considers his qol in Mogadishu as Somalia, everything else is ajnabi.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@codewebsduh me n u don't see eye to eye, but i was stunned also. Ma embassy ayaa la kala furanaya kkkkkkkkk. The isaaqs would've chimped out wild if this happened. I hope PL opens the speech on TV with foreign minister n HSM standing there saying 'labo dawladood ayaynu kala nahay' kkkkkkkkk this could be used by PIM as evidence to the world that Somalia recognizes Puntland

 

[DR OSMAN]

@codewebsduh Im fair man, I know why HSM did it, He thinking 'PL ku naas nuuji niin majerten' ah like @bidenkulaha said, I knew that his strategy, but his 'qabyalad' thinking has no place in 'govt to govt' protocol and he has to follow established protocol for interior regions and external nations. When the hell does A FM visit another region in his nation? that was totally bad call. PIM must be running with this as evidence to the world that Somalia n Puntland are 'separate'

 

[InaShaqalle]

PL can't secede when Mohamud Saleban are less than 50% of PL population. There's no way a single city Galkacyo will have an international border dividing it in two