Herodotus acknowledges the Handsome Geeljire of the Horn

[Libaaxseendheer]

This after expounding on Arabia
, he says:
"Where the south declines towards the setting sun lies the
country called Ethiopia, the last inhabited land in that direction.
There gold is obtained in great plenty, huge elephants abound, with
wild trees of all sorts, and ebony; and the men are taller, handsomer,
and longer lived than anywhere else"

 

[4head]

Herodotus was talking about the Nilotes, not somalis.

 

[Factz]

Herodotus was talking about the Nilotes, not somalis.

He said south of Ethiopia. Nilotes don't live in south of Ethiopia. Those are Somalis.

 

[4head]

He said south of Ethiopia. Nilotes don't live in south of Ethiopia. Those are Somalis.

Herodotus is not a historian to take seriously tbh. We are suspicious in uni when we study him. According to what I know, he was referring to the Sudanese people. Tall, really dark, with a great civilisation. In that time, Somalis didn't have a great civilisation in Somalia and we were not tall and dark like South Sudanese.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Éthiopiens_(mythologie_grecque)
"Les Éthiopiens apparaissent dès les plus anciens textes mythologiques grecs, ils figurent en effet aussi bien dans l’Iliade que dans l’Odyssée. Ils apparaissent alors comme un peuple éloigné, aux limites du monde, près de l'Océan, un peuple sans reproche chez qui les dieux - Zeus et les autres dieux dans l’Iliade, Poséidon dans l’Odyssée - vont banqueter, se trouvant alors momentanément coupés des autres mortels. Situés au sudN 1 ils sont divisés entre Éthiopiens orientaux et Éthiopiens occidentaux. On s'accorde généralement à ne pas voir dans ces Éthiopiens de la mythologie, tant chez Homère que chez les auteurs antiques postérieurs, des habitants des régions formant l'Éthiopie moderne"

"The Ethiopians appeared in the early mythological greek texts They were in the Iliad of the Odyssey, they were a people who lived in the limit of the known world, near the Ocean. A people who were cut off from the other mortals. Located in the south of the NIL, they were divided between the Oriental Ethiopians and the Western Ethiopians. We agree generally that the ancient Ethiopians (in the greek mythology ) were not the modern day Ethiopians. "


Where is the nil in Somalia? There's no Nil, and we are not native to Somalia. Our ancestors were not in Somalia and 2500 years ago, I don't think we even had a civilisation who was in Herodotus books.
But Sudanese had their own civilisation and they had a close relation with Egyptians and others.

 

[Factz]

Herodotus is not a historian to take seriously tbh. We are suspicious in uni when we study him. According to what I know, he was referring to the Sudanese people. Tall, really dark, with a great civilisation. In that time, Somalis didn't have a great civilisation in Somalia and we were not tall and dark like South Sudanese.
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Éthiopiens_(mythologie_grecque)
"Les Éthiopiens apparaissent dès les plus anciens textes mythologiques grecs, ils figurent en effet aussi bien dans l’Iliade que dans l’Odyssée. Ils apparaissent alors comme un peuple éloigné, aux limites du monde, près de l'Océan, un peuple sans reproche chez qui les dieux - Zeus et les autres dieux dans l’Iliade, Poséidon dans l’Odyssée - vont banqueter, se trouvant alors momentanément coupés des autres mortels. Situés au sudN 1 ils sont divisés entre Éthiopiens orientaux et Éthiopiens occidentaux. On s'accorde généralement à ne pas voir dans ces Éthiopiens de la mythologie, tant chez Homère que chez les auteurs antiques postérieurs, des habitants des régions formant l'Éthiopie moderne"

"The Ethiopians appeared in the early mythological greek texts They were in the Iliad of the Odyssey, they were a people who lived in the limit of the known world, near the Ocean. A people who were cut off from the other mortals. Located in the south of the NIL, they were divided between the Oriental Ethiopians and the Western Ethiopians. We agree generally that the ancient Ethiopians (in the greek mythology ) were not the modern day Ethiopians. "


Where is the nil in Somalia? There's no Nil, and we are not native to Somalia. Our ancestors were not in Somalia and 2500 years ago, I don't think we even had a civilisation who was in Herodotus books.
But Sudanese had their own civilisation and they had a close relation with Egyptians and others.

We had many great civilizations. What are you talking about? You sound like an absolute clueless self-hater.

You're quoting from Wikipedia. I can show you academics.

Read this source.

Look at Herodotus world map. South of Ethiopia, modern-day Somalia.

 

[4head]

We had many great civilizations. What are you talking about? You sound like an absolute clueless self-hater.

You're quoting from Wikipedia. I can show you academics.

Read this source.

Look at Herodotus world map. South of Ethiopia, modern-day Somalia.

I'm being realist, how a land like Somalia could have a civilisation tbh?
The map is according to Herodotus. He's not a legit source, bro. This dude mixes mythology and history and his own opinion, I can't take him as a serious source without having another source from another historian in that time.

Somalis were nomads, how nomads could have a civilisation that last? In History, nomads should either perish or settle or keep being nomads. Nomadic civilisation don't last. Arabs were nomads and because of Islam, they lost their nomadic lifestyle. If those Ethiopians were Somalis, so where's the Horn in the picture? How come Herodotus never mentionned the clans in Somalia? What was their religion?
Somalis were not natives to modern day Somalia. We are originally from Sudan and in those times, there was a civilisation in that region : Sudan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meroë

Meroe civilisation was known back then and could be our ancestor's civilisation. Just like the Kush Kingdom. .

 

[Factz]

I'm being realist, how a land like Somalia could have a civilisation tbh?
The map is according to Herodotus. He's not a legit source, bro. This dude mixes mythology and history and his own opinion, I can't take him as a serious source without having another source from another historian in that time.

Somalis were nomads, how nomads could have a civilisation that last? In History, nomads should either perish or settle or keep being nomads. Nomadic civilisation don't last. Arabs were nomads and because of Islam, they lost their nomadic lifestyle. If those Ethiopians were Somalis, so where's the Horn in the picture? How come Herodotus never mentionned the clans in Somalia? What was their religion?
Somalis were not natives to modern day Somalia. We are originally from Sudan and in those times, there was a civilisation in that region : Sudan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meroë

Meroe civilisation was known back then and could be our ancestor's civilisation. Just like the Kush Kingdom. .

Wallahi you're being an idiot. Far from being a realist. The Ethiopians you praise so much got conquered by Adal Sultanate, a northern Somali Sultanate. Adal Sultanate were even more wealthier than Abyssinia but the real powerhouse were the Ajuran Empire who were arguably the most powerful kingdom in Africa. Somalia has so much beautiful history to be proud of but sadly, you didn't bother researching them. That's why you have absurb opinions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajuran_Sultanate

Also, Macrobia location isn't disputed. Even modern-day scholars agree lol. Look up Mamta Agarwal.

 

[Libaaxseendheer]

Wallahi you're being an idiot. Far from being a realist. The Ethiopians you praise so much got conquered by Adal Sultanate, a northern Somali Sultanate. Adal Sultanate were even more wealthier than Abyssinia but the real powerhouse were the Ajuran Empire who were arguably the most powerful kingdom in Africa. Somalia has so much beautiful history to be proud of but sadly, you didn't bother researching them. That's why you have absurb opinions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajuran_Sultanate

Also, Macrobia location isn't disputed. Even modern-day scholars agree lol. Look up Mamta Agarwal.

A bunch of hindu chicks showed up

 

[Libaaxseendheer]

Possibly the Makhir Coast of the Gulf of Berbera is reminiscent of this macrobia

"An article titled "Seychellois rekindle ties with Sultan of Somaliland" which was featured in one of the newspapers of the Republic of Seychelles captures a glimpse of Warsangeli history. It writes, "the Warsengeli Sultanatehas been in existence for the last six hundred years."[2] The clan's territory was recognized in the Arabian Peninsula, where it was referred to as Makhar or Makhir Coast."

 

[Lord Flacko]

Herodotus was talking about the Nilotes, not somalis.

He was talking about the Macrobians, which definitely were not Nilotics.

 

[Libaaxseendheer]

"He not only says they are the longest lived, but also the tallest people; and upon the latter they place so high a value, that they elect the tallest among them for king.Saba lies on the African coast, at the entrance of the Arabian Gulf; consequently, in the very spot that we consider to have been the seat of the Macrobians."

-Arnold Hermann Ludwig Heeren

Here yet another unbiased, truth-seeking colonial historian.

 

[EDsomali]

Somalis did not live in Somalia at the time of these writings so they probably weren't talking about us.

 

[Libaaxseendheer]

Somalis did not live in Somali at the time of these writings so they probably weren't talking about us.

Where'd they live?

 

[EDsomali]

Where'd they live?

Somali migration went something like this.

With Somalis only reaching the north 2000 years ago.