Harla - Hubat connection

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This is what Ibn Said Al Maghribi stated in his works in the 13th century. The Karla of Hubat, east of the Habasha, traded in Gold and settled from the Mara mountains (Awash) to the borders of Kenya and Ethiopia (where Zanj nilotic tribes lived). Same fella who visited Merca and confirmed it the capital of the Hawiya.

The mention of Hubat and Karla (Kazla), Hemingford, Trimingham and few other authors call Hubat the Harala capital and we can see the pattern here. The Nile of the Habasha is the Blue Nile River that ends in Lake Tana while the south east lake mentioned is Hawassa. The Zunj mentioned aren't Kenyan but likely the Adoni of the Upper Shabelle, who all probably lived more western which has more lakes. All the location, spelling and industry suggest the Karanle kingdom was vast and powerful.

The Source is called Jughrafiya (The World Map divided into Seven Climates). Here is the link

Welcome To Medieval Nubia - Ibn Sa'id al-Maghribi

www.medievalnubia.info

 

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The fact they were known to the Habasha seperately from the Somalis is mentioned by Ibn Said, the "racial characteristic of jinn" is a misdemeanor. It could be a euphemism for passion, virility and immense power. They match the extensive description of the Harala of the Futuh running their own division led by Sultan Mohammad a paternal cousin of Gurey.

 

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Look how Karanle is spelt in Arabic by Maqribi

الكارلا

 

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Karalle (6/40) area matches the Karanle also known as the Karanye and Karara of Bale.

 

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Karalle highlighted in yellow. Suffice to say the Oromo and Amhara pronounce this way hence its passages given to foreigners this way. Waqooyi folks call us Karinle. Its an ancient phenomena to have watered down versions of your clan name, like Habarnoosa (Habr Yonis)

 

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@Mckenzie

 

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I dont know how convincing I find it. Although I think its intresting how widespread diffrent haiwye clans are. Are we sure these clans were always considered part of hawiye.

 

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Honestly ive always been fascinated by how clans in southern somalia seem to persevere all these old archaic oral traditions.

I Might just marry a hawiye wife so I can get acess and research their old traditions

 

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I dont know how convincing I find it. Although I think its intresting how widespread diffrent haiwye clans are. Are we sure these clans were always considered part of hawiye.

Karanle is the elder son of Sheikh Hawiye. Both Karanle and his father Hawiye are buried next to each other side by side at Qundhura which is at the heart of Hobat. The Hawiye from southern Somalia are the younger branches that moved there a millennia ago.

 

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Karanle is the elder son of Sheikh Hawiye. Both Karanle and his father Hawiye are buried next to each other side by side at Qundhura which is at the heart of Hobat. The Hawiye from southern Somalia are the younger branches that moved there a millennia ago.

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Then who lived in southern somalia before this ? Was it just the garre and digil/mirifle.

The timeline you propose for the migration of haiwye around mogadishu is really intresting. Since the second or third warsangeli ancestor is named xamargale and he seems just my how may name generation's the names go back to be around the 1200/1300s

 

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@Step a side since you are the most distinguished historian on all things Hawiye on this forum, I thought I'd direct this to your attention. Is there a river or former river by the name Karan in Hararghe or the surrounding areas? I'm asking this because in the beginning of Futuh where it talks about The Imam routing Sultan Abu Bakr and his Somalis; I believe I found a mention of Karan in the book relating to the river near Kidad.

See in the English translation it's spelled as Qarn but the Arabic version I was looking at has it spelled like قرن Qaran (Highlighted down below).

Compared that to the actual spelling of Karan/Karanle,

Maybe Arab Faqih or later scribes mistakenly wrote Qaaf instead of Kaaf.

I feel like this would help pinpoint exactly where Kidad was/is and reinforcing Karanle presence regarding placenames named after them.

What do you think?