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Minority?you mean where he lives where is that exactly probably uk its infested with somalis there
But why somalis/horners/cushites? @Grant
I mean Somalia's minorities, like the Bantus, cad cads, etc.
I have a degree in history from the University of California, but made my living as a dental technician.. I was continuously certified and operated a laboratory for 34 years. I taught English in the Peace Corps in Jilib in 1966-67 and planned to retire there..
You can get some of that here:
https://www.somalispot.com/threads/jilib-in-1966.44600/
I joined Somnet in 2005 to begin educating myself and transferred here at Menace's invitation. I use you guys for topics to research.
Having lived in Jilib, I do understand some of the Minority perspective and I do sympathize with them, as with all Somalis. History has not been kind to any of you..
I have posted this several times. That is me holding the flag on the right. I am retired and live in Oakland, California. John Johnson, of the Somali collection at Indiana State, is at the far right. Aamiinna Nuur of Buloxaar (Abby Thomas) is holding the other end of the flag. At one time she owned 80 hal of the Makahilli herd. In the middle, having a hard time with the flag, was Virgina Shine, who married one of our teachers, Dr Mahmud Jama Sifir , who became Somaliland envoy to Kenya. The big man to the left was our host at Taleex, Police General Abshir. This was taken July 1st, 1966.
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That reputation is highly undeserved. DNA did in Arab Daddy and much of the rest of what passed for history is now known to be equally fabulous invention. I think it's just that I am ahead of the curve. You will notice most of my posts are accessibly documented. My postings may not be popular, but they are current, and to the best of my ability, accurate. I know I misread a chart once, but that was an honest mistake.
I was only able to complete one year of a two-year commitment. I didn't speak the language and almost no one spoke mine. It was obvious I was getting nowhere and I did not have the resources or communication to improve my situation. You have to understand that rain isolated anything south of about Merka, and that the fall 1966 rains and the spring 1967 rains were heavy. Planes couldn't even get in to the Kismayo airstrip for long stretches. There was good asphalt from Jilib to Kismayu, and you could get to Baraawe after some drying, but the road from there to Merka stayed impassable in 1967 until the first week of August.,After one period of six months with no mail my mother called the embassy, which called the police, who radioed Jilib and got the reply I was alive and functioning. It was an additional four months before I had direct contact with her. I was evacuated with depression in August of 1967.
I worked for four summers as a teen for my grandfather on his cattle ranch in central Utah. I cut, raked and put up hay with horses, trimmed cow hooves, took cattle "on the mountain", dug ditches and irrigated hay fields. I trained as a dental technician, in part because I enjoyed it, but partly to be of use in a Somali setting. I intended to complete the second year with whatever work I could find and then make a decision about extending further. I could also have taught if the opportunity was there. I was waiting until I retired in order to have an income and not have to depend on pay. The years passed, the mail was cut off with the Kacaan, Somali news was not readily available and I lost track. The internet made Somnet and a new connection possible.
Of course, the opportunity has not been given. And my health is now such that I could not make that trip. This is now partly just intellectual pursuit and partly a last connection to a country and a people I made a commitment to.
I saw Somalia when maanta wa malinte, before it changed, and when qabiil was not discussed. It was intoxicating. I am sorry for you kids that never got to see it. Glad I took the pictures as I'm sure most wouldn't believe me in person.
Extremely sad for us
Our connection to arabs could have been fabricated,can you give me an example of some history of our that you think or believe is an invention
Sorry to hear that,how old are you exactly,do you have diabetes,heart comdition or some other cheonic disease that has to do with your age?did you belirve you are top sick to travel or is it the airlines that womt take the risk,
We all appretiate the pictures you shared with us,my family is originally from the north i assume you never went there would have loved to see old hargeisa but i can find some from a relative
Nearly all the traditional English histories emphasize MAH and the Dervish (Salahiya) effort in the North. Almost no one talks about Aweys al Barawe and the Qadiriya in the South and East Africa. It took the English scholarly community years to catch up with the Italian and Arabic material and there is still no balance between the two. And , the Chimbalazi material is still mostly out of reach.
The I M Lewis view was that Somalis were "barefoot democrats". Most histories ignored or mentioned the plantation slavery in the South just in passing. Besteman's work didn't come out until 1999.
MAH sought Nassib Bundo as an ally against the Italians and Bundo was hailed as an anti-slavery hero during the Kacaan period. Young Somalis today want to deny his sultanate even existed. The records exist, but they are denied. The Ogaden in particular like to forget he conquered their combined forces in 1890 and that he had treaties with both Britain and Zanzibar.
The prime notions taught in the 1960s were that the Somalis were an homogeneous people with a single language and religion. Folks still rep this, but DNA and language studies make it harder every day to believe.
I am 75. I am not in terrible shape, but I have several issues that need monitoring. They are age related and you will know about them soon enough: prostate, lungs and veins. No diabetes or heart problems. They can fix most of what I've got, but I have to be able to get to them.
Sorry to hear that,old age is a blessing with its problems
So in short you just support minority bantus that where there as slaves in the first place and deny that somalis are a homogeneous people or that somalia is not a homogeneous country?
Was Jilib the size it is today back when you were there? Also what clans used to live there during your time and were there a lot of Bantus like there are today?
You may have an extra "not" in there. Somalia is not an homogeneous country. The slaves came after about 1825, with the Omanis. The Eyle, Boni, Bajunni, Barwaane, Cadcad, Gabaweyn, Shidle Shabelli, etc. also get my support. On this map, the minorities are is Brown.
https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs...383-somalia_2012_clan_distro.jpg&action=click
My reference for today is what I can see on Google Earth. The old administrative area and the Gosha market is gone. Except for one house, my whole street is gone. Main street is about the same, but the town has grown substantially north and somewhat east. The area covered may be four to five times what I remember.
At the town gathering for a movie the Russians showed, I estimate 250-300 people showed up. Photos of the school kids are in that link I posted and don't show that many kids, but the Gosha were not allowed in the Government school and would have added some. There was also an Egyptian school the Gosha kids attended.
The clans in town that I knew, and I did not know them all, were Gosha, Boxn, Geledi, Umar Maxamuud, Shekhaal, Barwaani and Indian. The DC was an Isaaq from the North. The mayor was Gosha. Most of the town worked directly or indirectly for the government, or were merchants or business people. The town supported an Agraria , the leprosarium and much of the government agricultural work in the Lower Jubba. . The Gosha villages were across the river and to the west and southwest. I bought milk from time to time from Sheekhaal Geeljirii just outside town.
What can you tell me about the current size and clan composition? I have heard things I don't want to believe.
Somalia is a hegemoneous country with a single language the number of minority there doesnt account to much,historically non of the minority races belong there anywayYou may have an extra "not" in there. Somalia is not an homogeneous country. The slaves came after about 1825, with the Omanis. The Eyle, Boni, Bajunni, Barwaane, Cadcad, Gabaweyn, Shidle Shabelli, etc. also get my support. On this map, the minorities are is Brown.
https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=AwrgEZwSmFxbu9gAfi8PxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTByNWU4cGh1BGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--?p=1977+clan+map+of+Somalia&fr=yhs-iba-1&hspart=iba&hsimp=yhs-1#id=2&iurl=https://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/africa/txu-pclmaps-oclc-795784383-somalia_2012_clan_distro.jpg&action=click
Why interested of minority in somalia,why not fight for the ones in Utah,its nice your heart is in somalia
But reading your posts in my sofala thread you are clearly trying to distort our history and give credit to minorities which most of them never contribute to our history
Your heart isnt with the somalis then.its with some people we let live in our land
That is a political position that is at odds with current scholarly findings. There is no doubt at all that there was no gold to be mined at Sofala or that the merchants from Mog were Shirazi who came in Shirazi ships.
Like i said after all the @Factz you still go against it you clear have an agenda against ethnic somalis
I'm only interested in historical accuracy. That is not having an agenda. The clan maps have been fairly stable, even given all the movement after the Abaar Dabadheer.
I've shown you countless sources why Mogadishu was always inhabited by Somalis while you showed me no source of Shirazi inhabiting Mogadishu. They only settled on the Swahili coast and you clearly are making up lies. You never give up discrediting Somali history do you?
Let me show you what the sources says again and this time use your brain, please.
I mean a 12th century historian called Yaqut al-Hamawi stated that Mogadishu was inhabited by Swarthly Berbers who are ancestors of Somali people today. Last time I checked Shirazi people are not dark skin nor were they ever referred as Bilad Al-Berber or Barbara, that was an ancient and medieval term to describe the Somalis back then.
The sources clearly states Somali merchants from Mogadishu established a colony in Sofala. No misinterpretation here.
Source: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=fTSqDQAAQBAJ&pg=PT57&dq=somali+established+colony+in+sofala&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjelf-0mcLcAhVmBsAKHfRRAU8Q6AEILzAB#v=onepage&q=somali established colony in sofala&f=false
And I told you this before but Sofala does have gold mines. In fact, the the Mozambique government is digging gold mines in Sofala right now. Here: http://www.elmed-rostov.ru/Projects/Pungwe CD/Reports/eng/Others/Trainee Report - Gold Mining.pdf
@nine @esmailxxx Look at this lying historical revisionist. Always making shit up without providing proof unlike my sources. He never accepts he's wrong and he clearly has an agenda to distort the rich history of Somalis.
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No you are not
I've shown you countless sources why Mogadishu was always inhabited by Somalis while you showed me no source of Shirazi inhabiting Mogadishu. They only settled on the Swahili coast and you clearly are making up lies. You never give up discrediting Somali history do you?
Let me show you what the sources says again and this time use your brain, please.
I mean a 12th century historian called Yaqut al-Hamawi stated that Mogadishu was inhabited by Swarthly Berbers who are ancestors of Somali people today. Last time I checked Shirazi people are not dark skin nor were they ever referred as Bilad Al-Berber or Barbara, that was an ancient and medieval term to describe Somalis back then.
The sources clearly states Somali merchants from Mogadishu established a colony in Sofala. No misinterpretation here.
Source: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=fTSqDQAAQBAJ&pg=PT57&dq=somali+established+colony+in+sofala&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjelf-0mcLcAhVmBsAKHfRRAU8Q6AEILzAB#v=onepage&q=somali established colony in sofala&f=false
And I told you this before but Sofala does have gold mines. In fact, the the Mozambique government is digging gold mines in Sofala right now. Here: http://www.elmed-rostov.ru/Projects/Pungwe CD/Reports/eng/Others/Trainee Report - Gold Mining.pdf
@nine @esmailxxx Look at this lying historical revisionist. Always making shit up without providing proof unlike my sources. He never accepts he's wrong and he clearly has an agenda to distort the beautiful Somali history.
The Pungwe River Basin is still not Sofala and you've worn the rest of that stuff out.
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