Sometimes I think, “why doesn’t the residence of Gaza fight like the Somalis in Mogadishu during the 90s?” Like I understand the situations they are in, but why do they rely on Hamas when every abled body person should be fighting for their lives, and not getting bombed indiscriminately.
Gaza is not Mogadishu
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Half of Gaza's population are children under the age of 18. All adult men are probably in some form of Palestinian militia if not Hamas. However the grip the Israelis have can not be compared to what our people faced. Imagine if America went all in, took all the land in somalia, from north to south but left Banaadir. They then controlled what went in and out, made sure anyone who feld can never return. Then you'll see why it's harder for Palestinian then for our people to defend themselves, at least we had control over key things to allow us to live somewhat.
Comparing Somalia to Palestine is wrong.
Palestinians are conquered and forced into controlled open air prisons.
Somalia is a vast peninsula that was controlled by various clan warlords who saw Americans as infidels and bombed them out the sky in Mogadishu. Not to mention almost everyone in Somalia had a spare AK to join in the xoog.
The Americans had no interest in erasing the Somali population, they just wanted to get their people and equipment out of a hotspot. Also, the majority of the Mogadishans weren’t fighting, this was like one or two neighbourhoods. Most importantly the Americans wanted to revive the Central Somali State like they did South Korea or post WWII Europe, the Israelis were and are actively preventing the construction of a Palestinian state.
The Black Hawk Down incident is the dumbest fiasco from a Somali strategic perspective, nothing to be proud of. We could have started rebuilding from 93’ onwards and have a booming economy throughout the 2000s like Angola. All of the shameful stereotypes that happened in the last 20 years, like piracy, wouldn’t exist.
If the Palestinians had what we have they would appreciate it to the fullest. Don’t diminish their struggle, because their adversary is truly heartless.
The Black Hawk Down incident is the dumbest fiasco from a Somali strategic perspective, nothing to be proud of. We could have started rebuilding from 93’ onwards and have a booming economy throughout the 2000s like Angola. All of the shameful stereotypes that happened in the last 20 years, like piracy, wouldn’t exist.
If the Palestinians had what we have they would appreciate it to the fullest. Don’t diminish their struggle, because their adversary is truly heartless.
That's what I mean. All things considered our people have faar more control than the Palestinians can ever dream of.
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The comparison don’t make sense.
Logically the Somali case 1991-2010 civil war was something else (even the western world couldn’t stop it. )
-Canadian troops
-American troops
-British troops
-many warlords fighting over stupid things
-Islamic Union
-al shabab
To the point everyone had guns and everyone was fighting for themselves. Somalis children literally had guns in order to fight for themselves that’s how crazy it was. There was nothing to stop it.
Something the people of Gaza have don’t we didn’t was
An military group like hamas
Somali didn’t have that hence why it’s was chaos.
That’s why I’m happy palastine isn’t the same case as Somalia because it would’ve been disaster. They’ve got powerful military group that is backed by hazbulla and Iran (other nation).
Logically the Somali case 1991-2010 civil war was something else (even the western world couldn’t stop it. )
-Canadian troops
-American troops
-British troops
-many warlords fighting over stupid things
-Islamic Union
-al shabab
To the point everyone had guns and everyone was fighting for themselves. Somalis children literally had guns in order to fight for themselves that’s how crazy it was. There was nothing to stop it.
Something the people of Gaza have don’t we didn’t was
An military group like hamas
Somali didn’t have that hence why it’s was chaos.
That’s why I’m happy palastine isn’t the same case as Somalia because it would’ve been disaster. They’ve got powerful military group that is backed by hazbulla and Iran (other nation).
Somali_patriotic
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A semi-ethnic cleaning was happening in mogadishu? An American soldier there actually said
"A good somali is a dead somali" that should tell you about what was happening there.
They wanted iraq 2 in mogadishu
We revolted and kicked them out.
These people downplay what happened to Somalis
Half a million Somalis died due to civil war
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Palestine is also in struggle.
Both nations suffered but comparing who’s struggled more is wrong very wrong
Come on bro, Americans weren’t ethnic cleansing Somali people, not even in the slightest. Their objective was to capture Aideed but it went sideways.
Their biggest embassy in Africa was in Mogadishu, four of their Super Oil Companies had exploration rights in Somalia, there was a decade of military cooperation between US and Somalia before that. A strong Somali leader would have capitalised on all of that, like Meles Zenawi did in Ethiopia, instead we got myopic clowns who left the country in a state of disarray to be consumed by hyenas.
Just because we fumbled, doesn’t mean we can now lay the blame on a foreign country, especially pre-War on Terror. If you want to see a country truly ravaged by the US, take a look at Vietnam, but even they are far ahead of Africa today with a booming economy.
We don’t have a victim mentality man, who cares what one angry soldier said. Truth is the warlords were doing way worse, and gave us nothing in return except death and destruction for decades to come.
No they didn’t. The Soviet Union had just collapsed, they had also just pushed Saddam out of Kuwait and saw Somalia as another golden opportunity to show the world the greatness of America as the sole superpower. Someone like Farmaajo or a Kagame would have grabbed that opportunity with both hands to propel the country to sustained success.
We kicked them out only to be invaded by the poorest third world countries, our seas policed by a global navy and terrorised by malnourished boys wearing sandals. What a victory.
Somali_patriotic
Everything unuka leh
They slaughtered your people and yet you're here justifying them
The case in mogadishu appears to be really similar to what's happening in gaza right now.
If you don’t consider this an ethnic-cleaninh or a genocide you're a very dishonest individual or a victim of American propaganda.
Hell even the "warlord" himself was shocked of how those people were actually targeting civilians
A brutal disaster subhanallah
Literally iraq
They came to iraq under the xujo WMD
They came to somalia under the xujo WE WILL CAPTURE AIDIID
Slaughtered 10s of thousands of people Aun all of them the innocents.
We eventually drove them out, all neighbourhoods in mogadishu opposed those devils whom we first thought were peacemakers
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Nobody is justifying anything. Its a fact that if Mahdi and Aideed had come to a compromise in 91 or as late as 92’, the Americans and their Coalition wouldn’t have been in the country to begin with. Worst is that once they were in the country, these warlords thought it was a good idea to escalate a civil war into a war against a superpower. Then when the latter left, they went back to infighting and pushed the country to such a humiliating state that in the last 15 to 20 years alone hundreds of thousands of civilians either died from famine, terrorism or at the hands of African peacekeepers.
How is that any better?
At-least quote the New York Times article correctly:
None of your snippets point to a carefully directed ‘ethnic cleansing’ on the part of the Americans, more importantly all of the available reliable sources attribute the bulk of civilian deaths to infighting between factions as the numbers match the figures of the preceding years when there was no American / UN presence:
The fact that you hold someone like Aideed in high esteem by quoting him is madness considering the mayhem and destruction he brought to the capital and surrounding areas. The point I was making in my earlier post also seems to have gone above your head; the humiliation that followed the American / UN departure was 10 times worse, so how could you consider that a better outcome?
In the end its nothing like Gaza, the Palestinians didn’t have a viable state that they allowed to collapse at the hands of myopic warlords and then chimped out on each other, they were pushed to the brink of destruction by a foreign power like Israel.
Blaming America or the UN is just modern copium for the fact that early 1990s Somali warlords were the worst crop of Somali leaders to have ever existed. If America wanted to ethnic cleanse us, there wouldn’t be a Somalia today. Remember the 50 million strong Native Americans? Where are they now?
Exactly!
Somali_patriotic
Everything unuka leh
Bro, i don't support aidiid nor did i say only Americans were killing people.
When they came they did nothing but target civilians and killed many of them thousands
Also this is a clear evidence of a military objective
You wrote allat of things there.
The situation is similar to the gaza cause
either
1) Somalis don't have it as bad as Palestinians (so what is our excuse after 35 years of instability?)
2) Somalis have it worse (what has the rest of the world done for Somali on Somali injustice?)
either way, i find both arguments hypocritical, and Somalia could easily end up like Palestine, because we have so many Somalis looking to sell out. [case in point Zeila]
1) Somalis don't have it as bad as Palestinians (so what is our excuse after 35 years of instability?)
2) Somalis have it worse (what has the rest of the world done for Somali on Somali injustice?)
either way, i find both arguments hypocritical, and Somalia could easily end up like Palestine, because we have so many Somalis looking to sell out. [case in point Zeila]
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I don’t think its a clear binary. We have it worse in some aspects and better in others.
For example Palestinian are united against their common foe. However somalis are not we are disunited and target one another.
Somalis have much more land and potential to fix our situation than Palestinians do. We don’t have a 1st world country thats backed by America on our doorstep actively trying to wipe us out.
Biggest difference is somalis can fix their problem by uniting unlike our Palestinians brothers who are fighting against a foreign army.
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