First horn of african/cushtic proffesor of computer science at harvard and Uc Berkeley
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Great for him as that is quite the accomplishment. One oversight. He is mixed i.e half African American (father) and Ethiopian (mother).
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@Himmler the gif was disrespectful. He went to MIT and completed his doctorate there. Still quite the accomplishment. My only point is he doesn't have the same second generation immigrant experience as someone monoethnic. So it's disingenuous passing him off as full Ethio/Horner. It also denies his AA heritage through claiming he is completely Ethiopian.
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Part Habash, not Cushite.
wait is that myth true ? that habash are semetic/different then us , all those historical maps fooled me i thought the entire horn upto eritrea was cushitic
You know Somalis are barely more Cushitic than Habesha right?
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Not according to genetics and macro-cultural horizons. Somalis maximize the genetic Cushitic strain among any other group on the planet, moreover, we have a Cushitic language that is preserved as well. Habash are basically Semites that over time mixed with Cushites while holding the Arabian-derived tradition dominant -- they have continuity from their Habash roots on an identity basis, and a civilizational one to emphasize.
A Cushitic group practically indistinguishable from large sections of the highland Semites, the Agaws are not Habash because they, unlike the Habash, were Cushites that received some Semite admixture while preserving a dominant Agaw tradition. Two completely different groups that genetically are on the surface similar.
Habesha have significant Arabian ancestry, anywhere from 25-33% but Somalis themselves have Arabian and Dinka-like ancestry on top of there Cushitic ancestry.
Also, we actually have NO IDEA how much Cushitic ancestry any of us, any estimate you see online is bullshit were all just using the East African pastoralists as proxies for Cushitic ancestry when they most likely have some local East African ancestry, and recent Levantine/Egyptian-like ancestry. Cushitic is Mesolithic Egypt + Dinka-like
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Somalis have no "Dinka-like" ancestry. We lack the deep paleo-West/Central ancestry embedded in Nilo-Saharans. Nilotes are proxies, mere genetic stand-ins as they represent roughly 70-80% of what our East Africans had.
I never said Somalis don’t have the most Cushitic ancestry I said they don’t have much more than Habesha which is true using the PN samples. Somalis can be modelled as around 80% PN and the rest is East African and Yemeni whilst Habesha are around 70% PN. Users here make the mistake of using the SSA shifted Iron Age samples which account for some of the SSA shift in Somalis and pass them off as full Cushites.
And using your logic African Americans are Europeans that mixed with Africans who kept there European tradition dominant. African Americans are about 25% European, Habesha have roughly the same amount of Arabian and significantly less influence from there Arabian ancestors compared to the level of influence Europeans had on African Americans. To characterise Habesha this way is just silly.
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Furthermore, we have an exceptionally strong idea that we have nearly complete Cushitic ancestry minus maybe some minor Arabian because of the paleolithic characteristics of those extinct components of our DNA - and the stabilized signature of that genetic component; it is always considered a single component except for deeper basal sub-structure reading that is deliberate. The age of that genetics is synonymous with the temporal speculation of the linguistic age. And it is stable across groups that diverged thousands of years ago, take PN, all the Cushites, and Habash who hold considerable Cushitic DNA as well. Account for their other geneflow and you observe the genetics is Somali-like.
Somalis are more Cushitic than Sardinians and are Early European Farmers, for example. That is exceptional autosomal continuity.
Furthermore, we have an exceptionally strong idea that we have nearly complete Cushitic ancestry minus maybe some minor Arabian because of the paleolithic characteristics of those extinct components of our DNA - and the stabilized signature of that genetic component; it is always considered a single component except for deeper basal sub-structure reading that is deliberate. The age of that genetics is synonymous with the temporal speculation of the linguistic age. And it is stable across groups that diverged thousands of years ago, take PN, all the Cushites, and Habash who hold considerable Cushitic DNA as well. Account for their other geneflow and you observe the genetics is Somali-like.
Somalis are more Cushitic than Sardinians and are Early European Farmers, for example. That is exceptional autosomal continuity.
Lmao okay mate and Somalis also have no Natufian like ancestry because we don’t carry much of the aboriginal Levantine component just the intrusive Egyptian element. Do you know what “like” means? This is word games at this point
The alchemist
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Again, PN is just another variation of Cushitic -- they are not a model, just another type of Custic. What PN samples do is absorb the Arabian ancestry of the Ethiopians that they received from Arabia. Plus PN groups carry elevated Horn of Africa forager ancestry which Habash has, so you are artificially enriching them as Cushitic. You have to know what you are doing when using the models, otherwise the interpretation is off.
African Americans are a special case because they were divorced from their identity. So no, that is not a consistent analogy. What is correct by all accounts is that African Americans are a Western population, not an African one. They are genetically African, though. But European genetics is not what gave them that identity. Had the slave-holders not raped them, they would still be what they are today.
Furthermore, Habash are not people who had influence from Arabians, they are the Arabians that overtimes received geneflow... You're being anachronistic here.
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You're telling me basic shit that I have known for many years now as I have been in this anthro-space for a minute. Somalis have no Natufian DNA nor Nilo-Saharan. Ask any guy here, I am basically the guy trying to school niggas on this. I think you don't understand words by how no one said Somalis have Levantine ancestry. That's not my view, nor is it the topic. But nice changing the goalpost.
Lmao you clearly don’t know what changing the goal posts means, half of what you say is word salad the other half is conjecture, I’m not even gonna respond to that other rubbish post you made because that too is conjecture you have no proof that the PN samples are absorbing Arabian ancestry in the Habesha, none at all. From when you said Habesha are Arabians that received geneflow I knew not to take you seriously, you obviously know nothing about Habesha culture, people or historyYou're telling me basic shit that I have known for many years now as I have been in this anthro-space for a minute. Somalis have no Natufian DNA nor Nilo-Saharan. Ask any guy here, I am basically the guy trying to school niggas on this. I think you don't understand words by how no one said Somalis have Levantine ancestry. That's not my view, nor is it the topic. But nice changing the goalpost.
And don’t tell me I have to know what I’m doing lmao I use qpadm and other formal stats not G25 which is borderline mock science.
Not even close
We have evidence of M1, E-M215 and R0a in East Africa 20,000 years ago, this is well after the North African LSA started, if these groups mixed with Dinka or Mota-like peoples (there is evidence for Mesolithic Nubians in the Rift Valley) and were absorbed by incoming pastoralists they could easily inflate Cushitic proportions, but G25 warriors who don’t actually read papers think they have a clue about Cushitic or East African prehistory
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