FGS political collapse? (The Afghan series)

Quick thread.

One of the major differences between Somalia and Afghanistan is the number of international partners Somalia has vs Afghanistan.

Afghanistan's major partner was always the US and it needed the US to maintain its military, economy, build capacity in its government but also very importantly, the US played a major role in preventing the politcal collapse of the Afghan government and it did this more than once. Here's some relevant passages from the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan's reconstruction report on why the Afghan goverenment collapsed:

  • In 2004, Afghanistan held its first democratic presidential election, which Karzai won, notwithstanding allegations from his opponents that the election result was fraudulent.

  • During Karzai’s presidency, government corruption was a significant issue. In 2009, General Stanley McChrystal summarized the problem by saying that Afghans were “frustrated and weary,” and that “progress [was] hindered by the dual threat of a resilient insurgency and a crisis of confidence in the government and the international coalition.” Election fraud allegations undermined the legitimacy of the government as well. Karzai won a second term that same year, but the results were again disputed.

  • The September 2014 election of Ashraf Ghani did not increase public confidence in the electoral process: Abdullah Abdullah, the runner-up, challenged the results and threw the government into crisis. A government collapse was averted only by last-minute negotiations led by then-Secretary of State John Kerry and personal intervention by President Barack Obama.

  • Voter turnout had trended downward since Afghanistan’s first election in 2004, when an estimated 68 percent of eligible voters showed up to the polls. By the 2019 presidential election, eligible voter turnout was estimated at just under 10 percent. When Ghani was again declared the winner that year, Abdullah again disputed the results. A second power-sharing arrangement brokered by the United States again narrowly averted the prospect of a government collapse.


Somalia is unlike Afghanistan in that it has a long list of international partners. This is good because it means that a military collapse like Afghanistan is less likely but it's bad because it also means no one country or group (UK, US, UN) has sufficient leverage over the FGS to prevent political collapse by brokering deals. While the international partners are unified right now behind HSM you can imagine in the case of a fruadelent election that the international partners become split about what to do and who to support. The decisions about Afghanistan's government always rested with the US president and that's was a real strength looking back at it.
 
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Garaad Awal

Zubeyri, Hanafi Maturidi
The moment right-wing govts take over the West, stop their taxpayer money funding AMISOM & the Somalian govt and Erdogan’s political demise (due to old age) will gurantee those Wahabi big beards bums to take over all of Somalia Italiana. This is a big threat to all regional govts.
For this reason Ethiopia & Kenya will never leave. SL must also invade and oversee Northern Somalia (Bari region) as it is full of Da3ish & Shabaab with majority of illegal arms smuggling occurring in Bosaaso.
 
The moment right-wing govts take over the West, stop their taxpayer money funding AMISOM & the Somalian govt and Erdogan’s political demise (due to old age) will gurantee those Wahabi big beards bums to take over all of Somalia Italiana. This is a big threat to all regional govts.
For this reason Ethiopia & Kenya will never leave. SL must also invade and oversee Northern Somalia (Bari region) as it is full of Da3ish & Shabaab with majority of illegal arms smuggling occurring in Bosaaso.
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The moment right-wing govts take over the West, stop their taxpayer money funding AMISOM & the Somalian govt and Erdogan’s political demise (due to old age) will gurantee those Wahabi big beards bums to take over all of Somalia Italiana. This is a big threat to all regional govts.
For this reason Ethiopia & Kenya will never leave. SL must also invade and oversee Northern Somalia (Bari region) as it is full of Da3ish & Shabaab with majority of illegal arms smuggling occurring in Bosaaso.

The Trump factor can never be ignored. He switched up on the Afghans so bad it gave them whiplash.

"Before he was elected president, candidate Donald Trump publicly expressed in no uncertain terms his opposition to remaining in Afghanistan. Yet in August 2017, he increased troop levels and expanded the U.S. military’s ability to conduct operations and support the Afghan National Defense and Security Forces (ANDSF)"

But U.S. policy changed again—this time, dramatically. In February 2020, the Trump administration signed a peace agreement with the Taliban, without the Afghan government’s participation. The agreement stipulated, “The United States is committed to withdraw from Afghanistan all military forces....



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The failed state is on such thin ice, people don't even realize it.

What if Trump VETO's the ATMIS extension in the UN? No one knows what that guy could do. If that happens it's all over.

It's more likely because the US will be paying for ATMIS extension. UN Resolution 2719 mandates that up to 75% of the funding for African Union Peace Keeping Missions authorized by the UN will come from UN assessed contribritutions. This how the breakdown looks:

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It would make the US the largest contributor to the post ATMIS extension. Before almost all ATMIS funding was coming from the EU which is sometimes above politics.
 
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Even when Koonfur was Jaxeema in the 2000’s Hargeisa was never recognized so why would you hope for this now? It’s not happening.
 
Quick thread.

One of the major differences between Somalia and Afghanistan is the number of international partners Somalia has vs Afghanistan.

Afghanistan's major partner was always the US and it needed the US to maintain its military, economy, build capacity in its government but also very importantly, the US played a major role in preventing the politcal collapse of the Afghan government and it did this more than once. Here's some relevant passages from the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan's reconstruction report on why the Afghan goverenment collapsed:

  • In 2004, Afghanistan held its first democratic presidential election, which Karzai won, notwithstanding allegations from his opponents that the election result was fraudulent.

  • During Karzai’s presidency, government corruption was a significant issue. In 2009, General Stanley McChrystal summarized the problem by saying that Afghans were “frustrated and weary,” and that “progress [was] hindered by the dual threat of a resilient insurgency and a crisis of confidence in the government and the international coalition.” Election fraud allegations undermined the legitimacy of the government as well. Karzai won a second term that same year, but the results were again disputed.

  • The September 2014 election of Ashraf Ghani did not increase public confidence in the electoral process: Abdullah Abdullah, the runner-up, challenged the results and threw the government into crisis. A government collapse was averted only by last-minute negotiations led by then-Secretary of State John Kerry and personal intervention by President Barack Obama.

  • Voter turnout had trended downward since Afghanistan’s first election in 2004, when an estimated 68 percent of eligible voters showed up to the polls. By the 2019 presidential election, eligible voter turnout was estimated at just under 10 percent. When Ghani was again declared the winner that year, Abdullah again disputed the results. A second power-sharing arrangement brokered by the United States again narrowly averted the prospect of a government collapse.


Somalia is unlike Afghanistan in that it has a long list of international partners. This is good because it means that a military collapse like Afghanistan is less likely but it's bad because it also means no one country or group (UK, US, UN) has sufficient leverage over the FGS to prevent political collapse by brokering deals. While the international partners are unified right now behind HSM you can imagine in the case of a fruadelent election that the international partners become split about what to do and who to support. The decisions about Afghanistan's government always rested with the US president and that's was a real strength looking back at it.
This is a very naive viewpoint. Your first mistake is comparing Somalia with Afghanistan, in all matters ! Wither it’s regarding international support or support of the populace (which is somewhat of the main point you brought up).

if your going to give your opinion on the matter, at least educate yourself on the geopolitical situation of both countries sxb. Comparing the two is like comparing apples and oranges, two completing different scenarios.
 

Garaad Awal

Zubeyri, Hanafi Maturidi
The Trump factor can never be ignored. He switched up on the Afghans so bad it gave them whiplash.

"Before he was elected president, candidate Donald Trump publicly expressed in no uncertain terms his opposition to remaining in Afghanistan. Yet in August 2017, he increased troop levels and expanded the U.S. military’s ability to conduct operations and support the Afghan National Defense and Security Forces (ANDSF)"

But U.S. policy changed again—this time, dramatically. In February 2020, the Trump administration signed a peace agreement with the Taliban, without the Afghan government’s participation. The agreement stipulated, “The United States is committed to withdraw from Afghanistan all military forces....



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The failed state is on such thin ice, people don't even realize it.

What if Trump VETO's the ATMIS extension in the UN? No one knows what that guy could do. If that happens it's all over.

It's more likely because the US will be paying for ATMIS extension. UN Resolution 2719 mandates that up to 75% of the funding for African Union Peace Keeping Missions authorized by the UN will come from UN assessed contribritutions. This how the breakdown looks:

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It would make the US the largest contributor to the post ATMIS extension. Before almost all ATMIS funding was coming from the EU which is sometimes above politics.
Right-Wing Western govts will abandon the UN protectorate, same goes for the Turkish secularists once Erdogan is finished politically.
Nations in the region will try to help or leave and reinforce their borders with buffer zones if it is difficult/expensive to combat Kababists directly. Either way Somalia’s existence rest solely on if Western liberals continue to ideologically support sustaining the vegetable known as the FGS.
 
Right-Wing Western govts will abandon the UN protectorate, same goes for the Turkish secularists once Erdogan is finished politically.
Nations in the region will try to help or leave and reinforce their borders with buffer zones if it is difficult/expensive to combat Kababists directly. Either way Somalia’s existence rest solely on if Western liberals continue to ideologically support sustaining the vegetable known as the FGS.
Nothing happened during Trump's term so little would change if the west became more right wing. Its also naive to think Turkey's support also is based on religion and not on Somalia's geographic position and resources. Post-Erdogan Turkey still wants to be a big global player.

With that said, if Trump does cut off aid and African troops then I welcome it as it will mean no more foreigners mucking around will force the FGS to act competently or face the severe consequences.
 

tyrannicalmanager

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Right-Wing Western govts will abandon the UN protectorate, same goes for the Turkish secularists once Erdogan is finished politically.
Nations in the region will try to help or leave and reinforce their borders with buffer zones if it is difficult/expensive to combat Kababists directly. Either way Somalia’s existence rest solely on if Western liberals continue to ideologically support sustaining the vegetable known as the FGS.
what makes you think Shabaab won't conquer SL?
 

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