EU statement on NCC, fiscal federalism, federalising justice system, power sharing armaments agreements reached and the incoming May NCC conference

[bidenkulaha]

https://www.eeas.europa.eu/delegations/un-new-york/eu-statement-–-un-security-council-private-meeting-somalia_en

Full report is there, they also mention unprecedented EU and Somalia engagement on reforms etc and the successful operations against Shabaab.

One downside is they believe only a few ATMIS withdrawal benchmarks are being met.

Safe to say EU is pushing for Deni to buckle as they clearly back these centralisation plans from HSM. EU and US are the biggest financial backers of Somalia so this is crucial

Deni will be there in May and u-turn on his independence to look somewhat reasonable but will he sign the papers? The orders from the West are clear.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@bidenkulaha anything that doesn't harmonize with PL, will be thrown out by PL and the I.C, it's the oldest state, we not going to accept an SFG baby state tell us what direction Somalia going, when we know the SFG local performance on it's current duties is an abject failure and u think their going to be 'advised' about the constitution, they will be 'told' not advised my friend, when u recover and perform your current duties properly, then u may have some leg to stand on about the future of Somalia, till then 'Carurti' PL ayaa tihin. U guys live in 'dreams'

 

[Prince of HS]

I hope by next meeting in May, Galmudug is fully free from Shabaab

 

[bidenkulaha]

@bidenkulaha anything that doesn't harmonize with PL, will be thrown out by PL and the I.C, it's the oldest state, we not going to accept an SFG baby state tell us what direction Somalia going, when we know the SFG local performance on it's current duties is an abject failure and u think their going to be 'advised' about the constitution, they will be 'told' not advised my friend, when u recover and perform your current duties properly, then u may have some leg to stand on about the future of Somalia, till then 'Carurti' PL ayaa tihin. U guys live in 'dreams'

We (as the FGS and other states) are the real power here. PL is not even more important than Xamar let alone all the states and FGS put together. We’ve just got to first of all get 1m1v elections and you’ll quickly see the undue influence you have dissipate very quickly.

Deni will be at the next NCC. After declaring independence from the FGS we shall who blinks first. US and now EU are clear who’s the spoiler here

 

[bidenkulaha]

I hope by next meeting in May, Galmudug is fully free from Shabaab

Hirshabelle too inshallah. Just now the Gaaljecel conference

 

[Macawisley]

I think NCC meetings are the best thing to come out of federalism because it ensures all parties must be on board for an agreement to be settled. I believe that even the weakest state (HS) if it refuses to enter the meetings they will have to their concerns dealt with before continuing negotiations and ensure consensus.

 

[bidenkulaha]

I think NCC meetings are the best thing to come out of federalism because it ensures all parties must be on board for an agreement to be settled. I believe that even the weakest state (HS) if it refuses to enter the meetings they will have to their concerns dealt with before continuing negotiations and ensure consensus.

Absolutely. NCC also takes the politics and personal agendas out of it. So for example NCC’s election plans are the same as they were under Farmaajo as they are now. Reduces the interference from either FGS or FMS.

Hence why the IC reacted so strong when Deni refused to go. He’ll be at the next one, I’m sure of it

 

[DR OSMAN]

@bidenkulaha PL is the founding state, to compare it to baby states including the SFG makes u look silly in front of the world. An SFG that is outside the PL model, will automatically be dismissed as 'unproven' and their no way the I.C will convince PL to accept an unproven model. Plus we are different, we are independent and the SFG and it's constitution doesn't even concern us legally. When u guys agree and reach milestones that PL demands(security, judicial, economic, political, etc) we will sit down as a 'separate' entity vs all the 'baby entities n sfg'.

We tell the I.C, when u don't trust the SFG and live in halane, it looks silly to pressure PL to trust it. When the SFG is an abject failure with the I.C not convinced, well PL is the same and to demand one to submit and the IC continues living in halane, will expose them.

We don't rely on 'politicians' we work on the rule of law and agreements between entities. HSM is what we call 'govt of the day' like Farmajo was, we don't cut deals with individuals niyahow.

It looks silly when the SFG cannot walk 2 km inside it's own jurisdiction HAMAR, u trying to speak to PL that controls 1/3 of somalia territory. Bro u will be laffed at by the world. The logic is if the SFG is competent, why u cant walk 2 km in your beautiful competent land 'hamar' lol. No your not competent your incompetent and hamar as a result shows incompetency makes sense.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@bidenkulaha if the SFG is right according to u, why cant they walk 2 km within hamar where they rule? surely u have logical brain, the reason hamar is chaotic is because the sfg is chaotic. PL guri uu dhigma keedi ama ka fican lama hadlayso, waxanu nahay dawlad gaar ah. Fix yourself bro before u point the finger at PL. PL isn't hawiye, we are not going to violently destroy your minimal progress, we don't do that, but we will be very careful about the type of entity we speak with and it will be based on 'PL model' not any other model which shows clearly is dysfunctional.

 

[bidenkulaha]

@bidenkulaha if the SFG is right according to u, why cant they walk 2 km within hamar where they rule? surely u have logical brain, the reason hamar is chaotic is because the sfg is chaotic. PL guri uu dhigma keedi ama ka fican lama hadlayso, waxanu nahay dawlad gaar ah. Fix yourself bro before u point the finger at PL. PL isn't hawiye, we are not going to violently destroy your minimal progress, we don't do that, but we will be very careful about the type of entity we speak with and it will be based on 'PL model' not any other model which shows clearly is dysfunctional.

Stop the cap, HSM just visited Aadan Yabaal and I’m sure he’ll go all the way to xarardheere soon. The FGS is doing great thanks for the concern

 

[Prince of HS]

@bidenkulaha if the SFG is right according to u, why cant they walk 2 km within hamar where they rule? surely u have logical brain, the reason hamar is chaotic is because the sfg is chaotic. PL guri uu dhigma keedi ama ka fican lama hadlayso, waxanu nahay dawlad gaar ah. Fix yourself bro before u point the finger at PL. PL isn't hawiye, we are not going to violently destroy your minimal progress, we don't do that, but we will be very careful about the type of entity we speak with and it will be based on 'PL model' not any other model which shows clearly is dysfunctional.

HSM travelled 220km from the capital to Adan yabaal this week and here you are talking about 2km within xamar

 

[DR OSMAN]

Stop the cap, HSM just visited Aadan Yabaal and I’m sure he’ll go all the way to xarardheere soon. The FGS is doing great thanks for the concern

War tiisa 'villa somalia' ayuusan difaci karin, his own govt house, let alone hamar or god forbid the south-central. The reason it's dysfunctional is your not following the PL model, which has proven to be effective. PL lama hadlayso dawlad somaliyeed oo teeda uu yaaban.

 

[DR OSMAN]

HSM travelled 220km from the capital to Adan yabaal this week and here you are talking about 2km within xamar

He 'flew' there becuz u didn't have Isbaaro in the sky, im sure u wud if u cud. U fly between afgoye n hamar, your talkin about adan yabaal?

@The Midlands they think hsm travelled by road from hamar to adan yaabal. looooool. He flew to beletwayn. He can't even travel to afgoye on road. Waryaa he can't even protect his villa somalia, that's how dysfunctional the SFG IS. PL is the only proven model to work and we will accept nothing less then PL 'advice' since their system 'works'

 

[bidenkulaha]

He 'flew' there becuz u didn't have Isbaaro in the sky, im sure u wud if u cud. U fly between afgoye n hamar, your talkin about adan yabaal?

Who is flying to afgoye and who lied to you? Afgooye is effectively part of Greater Banadir nowadays, that’s how much it’s dominated by people from Xamar travelling back and forth everyday from their farms to the Xamar markets

 

[DR OSMAN]

@bidenkulaha




He can't reach the 'mangos of afgoye'

 

[Rationale]

@bidenkulaha PL is the founding state, to compare it to baby states including the SFG makes u look silly in front of the world. An SFG that is outside the PL model, will automatically be dismissed as 'unproven' and their no way the I.C will convince PL to accept an unproven model. Plus we are different, we are independent and the SFG and it's constitution doesn't even concern us legally. When u guys agree and reach milestones that PL demands(security, judicial, economic, political, etc) we will sit down as a 'separate' entity vs all the 'baby entities n sfg'.

We tell the I.C, when u don't trust the SFG and live in halane, it looks silly to pressure PL to trust it. When the SFG is an abject failure with the I.C not convinced, well PL is the same and to demand one to submit and the IC continues living in halane, will expose them.

We don't rely on 'politicians' we work on the rule of law and agreements between entities. HSM is what we call 'govt of the day' like Farmajo was, we don't cut deals with individuals niyahow.

I hope Deni has you as an advisor. "Me me me me...I'm special, I'm laandheer, 750km" kkkkk top tier arguments.

 

[Prince of HS]

Who is flying to afgoye and who lied to you? Afgooye is effectively part of Greater Banadir nowadays, that’s how much it’s dominated by people from Xamar travelling back and forth everyday from their farms to the Xamar markets

It’s mind blowing how much cayr built ceelasha biyaha. 2006 it was empty baadiyo and today it’s bigger than a lot of clans biggest towns

 

[DR OSMAN]

I hope Deni has you as an advisor. "Me me me me...I'm special, I'm laandheer, 750km" kkkkk top tier arguments.

I would never suggest to PL to violently oppose the SFG or bring it to ruin, that's not something we could ever do and don't have a history for it post 91. But I will tell him 'ka fiirso' SFG, set milestones they must achieve, time-lines they have to be achieved by(generational clock is ticking for all of us), and in the event of failure/disagreements, how to leave each other and go our separate ways peacefully, becuz my logic is if we can't save all the nation, we must adopt a different posture on saving what we can and if we save what we can, maybe later on they can save the rest. What's wrong with that advice?

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Rationale PL should tell the I.C, u guys lack confidence in the SFG or why else r u hiding in shipping containers in halane, surely if it's a competent govt, you wouldn't be in shipping containers and for you to suggest PL join such place, shows only how incompetent your advisors are. When the I.C all come out of shipping containers and into hamar, that will be key 'milestone' ticked for PL, 'international confidence'. Meel dhan aduunka ka cararayso in shipping containere doesnt give us any confidence in HAGS. So HAGS must tanasul on logic and let PL replicate what we have to the south and let us lead it.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Rationale We are discussing how the 'qaran' the 'state' will be shaped and how powers will be separated, the days of 'qaran in 1 city' is over bro, the presidents of the day keep repeating this dead-end cycle leading to a clash with PL. Arin masiri ah weeye anaga waxeena, it's not even arin siyasaad, if it was siyasad issue, then the change of govt would solve it, which it doesn't. Even if an MJ is elected, the issue will still be there.

For example your murusade as a HAG, u guys don't have much problems at 'masiri level' since your not united in anything and in every camp, u do however from time to time have 'arin siyasad' issue depending on the govt of the day, that's easily resolvable, wait till next election. However PL issue is way bigger then that, no amount of elections will change 'umad tashatay'.