Ethiopian history teacher talks about Imam Ahmad

[Himmler]

What historians you mean Richard Pankhurst who claimed they’re was cannons at shimbra Kure despite it never being mention in the chronicles of Lebna Degen nor Futuh Al Habesha. Instead of parroting historians who were financed by Haile Selassie why don’t you show some primary sources

Keep coping literally every single historian agrees with me. It’s literally on Somalis on here and Tiktok/Twitter who are so desperate to prove Amharas/Habeshas were always the main source of slaves throughout all of history, you guys are the truly the only ones arguing this.


The best-matching parental populations were the Baluch (97% relative ancestry contribution [95% CI = 96%–98%] versus 3% [95% CI = 2%–4%] for the Parsi; Figure 1B) and Bantu-speaking populations from eastern or southeastern Africa (42% relative ancestry [95% CI = 10%–42%] for the Luhya of Kenya versus 40% [95% CI = 20%–44%] for the Sotho of South Africa). The contribution from the Horn of Africa, represented here by the Oromo, the Amhara, and the Somali of Ethiopia, was nil across all bootstrap replicates (Table S2). The similar contributions of eastern or southeastern Bantu-speaking groups to present-day Makranis suggest that an intermediate population, such as Mozambicans, could be the most likely unsampled source population.

These slave descendants in India are literally called Habashi, I’ve seen people on here even try to use this to argue that they came from Amharas yet …


“The contribution from the Horn of Africa, represented here by the Oromo, the Amhara, and the Somali of Ethiopia, was nil across all bootstrap replicates (Table S2).”

I can do this with practically every single East African slave descendant community in the Middle East btw, there African component consistently shows Bantu affinities.

 

[Hussain Al Gaturi]

Keep coping literally every single historian agrees with me. It’s literally on Somalis on here and Tiktok/Twitter who are so desperate to prove Amharas/Habeshas were always the main source of slaves throughout all of history, you guys are the truly the only ones arguing this.


The best-matching parental populations were the Baluch (97% relative ancestry contribution [95% CI = 96%–98%] versus 3% [95% CI = 2%–4%] for the Parsi; Figure 1B) and Bantu-speaking populations from eastern or southeastern Africa (42% relative ancestry [95% CI = 10%–42%] for the Luhya of Kenya versus 40% [95% CI = 20%–44%] for the Sotho of South Africa). The contribution from the Horn of Africa, represented here by the Oromo, the Amhara, and the Somali of Ethiopia, was nil across all bootstrap replicates (Table S2). The similar contributions of eastern or southeastern Bantu-speaking groups to present-day Makranis suggest that an intermediate population, such as Mozambicans, could be the most likely unsampled source population.

These slave descendants in India are literally called Habashi, I’ve seen people on here even try to use this to argue that they came from Amharas yet …


“The contribution from the Horn of Africa, represented here by the Oromo, the Amhara, and the Somali of Ethiopia, was nil across all bootstrap replicates (Table S2).”

I can do this with practically every single East African slave descendant community in the Middle East btw, there African component consistently shows Bantu affinities.

I’m not talking about slaves I’m talking about Arab contributions to the Futuh. Also I never said Amhara were the majority of slaves just that they were more enslaved than Somalis. Obviously No Horner was enslaved to the point off the Bantus but every other group was enslaved far more than Somalis.

 

[HabarSteven12]

You just copy and paste Hassen even though he doesn’t agree with you. You don’t show any primary sources and once an argument of yours is debunked you just return to it as nothing had happened.
Lmao I didn’t deny some Arabs came from jihad but comparing to the Portuguese is laughable. Also the slogans on the banner of the imam were written by a native quranic teacher named Arshuta. The only other named scholars were a teacher from Sim and another from Hubat

The source I quoted wasn't from Hassen. You clearly haven't gone through Futuh al-Habesh extensively, or you don't have the ability to comprehend academic literature. What primary sources have you shown? You literally don't even understand what primary sources are. Primary sources are immediate, first-hand accounts of a topic from people who had a direct connection with it. Sihab-ad-Din, who accompanied Imam Ahmed in almost all of his military expeditions against Abyssinia, would be considered one of the most trusted primary sources.

Is an Ethiopian scholar who merely suggests Imam Ahmed was of Karanle origin a primary source? I already debunked the geneology tree supposedly showing that Imam Ahmed was Somali. Wazir Abbas, Garaad Abun, and Tolha were all members of the Harla hereditary landed nobility.

Even the sources you provide, supposedly debunking me, actually reinforce and affirm my original point. Stop we wuzzing. It's embarrassing. There was a strong Arab presence in Imam Ahmad's force.

 

[Hussain Al Gaturi]

The source I quoted wasn't from Hassen. You clearly haven't gone through Futuh al-Habesh extensively, or you don't have the ability to comprehend academic literature. What primary sources have you shown? You literally don't even understand what primary sources are. Primary sources are immediate, first-hand accounts of a topic from people who had a direct connection with it. Sihab-ad-Din, who accompanied Imam Ahmed in almost all of his military expeditions against Abyssinia, would be considered one of the most trusted primary sources.

Is an Ethiopian scholar who merely suggests Imam Ahmed was of Karanle origin a primary source? I already debunked the geneology tree supposedly showing that Imam Ahmed was Somali. Wazir Abbas, Garaad Abun, and Tolha were all members of the Harla hereditary landed nobility.

Even the sources you provide, supposedly debunking me, actually reinforce and affirm my original point. Stop we wuzzing. It's embarrassing. There was a strong Arab presence in Imam Ahmad's force.

Prove that the 4 emirs were Harla from the Futuh. Hassen was the only one to suggest they were Harla and even then he backtracked. BTW, you mentally addled chimp, to debunk something you have to prove it false not just say it is false.

here are primary sources from the Futuh stating there were only 80 Arabs from Mehra

Each Somali tribe in contrast brought Hundreds of solidiers