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[uncleruckus]

What is it with you and youre peoples obssession with religion and extremism?. is extremism your go to argument when people speak about values seperate from the west?

Apperantly like i displayed that every society has its red lines - of what contitutes lawful expression in order to protect their society.. West is no different but to very ethnocentric people born into a specific culture or society that obsorbed the values and behaviors of that culture/society have a worldview that considers their culture to be the norm.

To say ''can i promote atheism in the middeleast?'' is very much proof of that. Epic Ethnocentrism!!

@VicePrez Look at this Bs ^^^ Darwin baah ku daarshiye bal waxaan firiih i am losing brain cells just by reading this kids non sense, Religion and extremism Goes hand in hand so much stupidity, so much idiocy in one thread one can hardly fathom it nor can the brain take it error error ban tagaan ahay hard drive malfunction

 

[Geeljire]

Amazing is this the mighty atheists im seeing throwing temper tantrums and baseless ad hominems simply because of a disagreement on a topic?

You guys take disagreements waaayy to personal!!

 

[Bielsa]

What is it with you and youre peoples obssession with religion and extremism?. is extremism your go to argument when people speak about values seperate from the west?

Apperantly like i displayed that every society has its red lines - of what contitutes lawful expression in order to protect their society.. West is no different but to very ethnocentric people born into a specific culture or society that obsorbed the values and behaviors of that culture/society have a worldview that considers their culture to be the norm.

To say ''can i promote atheism in the middeleast?'' is very much proof of that. Epic Ethnocentrism!!

Dude, you're engaging in mental gymnastics bro lol

Islam and eastern cultures is alien to Europe but yet you are allowed to practise it as you please, and have the same right as the local natives. The same cannot be said for the middle east.

 

[uncleruckus]

did you or did you not post this utter drivel ? check below.

Ironically no one seems more ignorant of his history today as the Somali Muslim. Somalis should certainly know that whoever controls the past controls the future. But what we don't seem to wake up to is the corollary, whoever controls the present, too often, controls the past.

This is not simply to explain why we remain ignorant of our own past but to make us appreciate the fact that those who control their present will not easily give up their past. As Somalis did (or are still doing) with our freedom and independence, we may have to do with our past, indeed our past is an important component of that freedom, for it gives us our identity and therefore the freedom to be what we are. For, as history itself testifies, freedom is never given on the platter of gold. But without it no nation, or indeed individual, makes any meaningful progress.

Our past gives us not only our identity and our worth, but also our bearings and our goals. It presents to us our role models and shows us the things worth fighting for. Our future therefore is in discovering our past.

RELIGION IS IMPORTANT

While a lot of debate centers around the role of religion of Islam in the making of Al-Shabaab and keeping Somalia unstable. But religion kept the sanity of Somali people through the worse days of famine, civil war and colonialism. It is a central part of Somali identity and value formations. Entire struggles have unified Somali people due to Islamic religious alliances. In the last 16th century a war took place against Christian imposition during times of Adal. I could go on if one actually studies history. In Somalia wars against Colonialism went on under the banner of "religion" (Dervish State). It was a religious cohesion during 15th century Ajuuran Sultunate that allowed the Imams to amass an Army at Barawa and Mogadishu and crush the Portugese. It was that same "religious identity" that ‘’Aw Barkhadle’’ used to create the might Adal Empire. It was the Islamic character of Western/Northern Somalia, under legends like Ahmed Gurey, and the campaigns of the late Emir Nuur (Futah Al habash) anti- imperialist and Western imposition galavanieshed people in the region in the late 16th century. In Somalia religion was the foundation of identity and resistance.

RELIGION AND AGENCY

In treating a prostate cancer it is usually a good idea not to cut out the bladder and leave the prostate. Mis- identifying religion is a detrimental to Somalia, it is only convenient for people who do not want to waddle through the complexities of Somali problems. And the language of "destruction and domination" is political language, not historical language. The script destroyed oral tradition, the car destroyed the donkey, the cd destroyed the record, and the turntable destroyed the musical instrument. It is no different with culture and religion anywhere.

Organized mainstream religions are spiritual technologies responsible for the backbone of civilized societies. Out of these organized rituals came vehicles for perpetuating culture, law, justice and morality. However, religion has been fingered time and time again as being the inspiration and agent of violence and brainwashing. Mass religion is a big soft target since most people are members of a religious group it is easy to say it was this religious factor, above all others, which is responsible for any and all negative behavior. Anti-religious Russia and China witnessed some of the most barbaric regimes, pure inhumanity and severe oppression-- Yet no religion. So the argument about religion as an agent for dividing people is equally true for politics, race, color, nationality if not more so.

More wars are caused over land and resources than God. The largest wars in human history had nothing to do with religion. Even during the crusades (which were supposed to be a Muslim-Christian conflict), the crusaders killed many non-Western Christians. However, far more emphasis has to be placed on greed, wealth disparity, and its effect on the human condition. In the absence of religion, violence would have taken place. In the absences of democracy, communism and clans, wars would have taken place. If we look at the most ruthless dictators most of them do not kill in the name of religion, (Mao for example said religion was poison). The problem with Mao et al was religion competed with him as a god-head. The biggest wars in history are not really in the name of religion; even the crusades were about Europeans acquisition of trade routes, which Muslims controlled. All arguments support that religion is not the primary agent in the oppression of Somalia, now or then.

Terms like "Islamic Invasion" and "foreign religion" are painted all over Somalia as if this was the only process by which Islam came into Somalia . Islam has been a native part of the Somali landscape for 1418 year. Yet history paints Christianity in Europe as if it was fundamentally a European institution. Europe Europeanized Christianity just like how they paint Buddhism in China as if its origins where Chinese. So the notion of Christianity being a European project needs to be challenged. They were Churches in Africa long before the Vatican.

Anthropologists seek to extract religion from reality and make Somalia the perpetual victim of invading Arabs. Afrocentric history on one page vilifies these religions but then on the next page tries to score racial points by claiming the glories of the Islamic contributions such as Dervish State, Ajuuran and Adal. However, Auvalites were not victim when they chose out of their own rights as a sovereign self-determined power to accept Islam as a state religion. Nor was Ancient Boon/Waaqoyi when it accepted Islam as the state religion. These were powers under Somali influences that made these choices, just as Rome did when it accepted Christianity. And in Somalias recent history some of the greatest minds of liberation were Muslim Saayid Abdille Mohamed Hassan, Ahmed Gurey and Garad WilWaal etc.

Before there was a Mosque of Ottoman there was a Somali Sufi state in Somalia, before Islam was ever heard of in Iran and Iraq or Syria or Medina it was being practiced on Somali Soil (Zeila) ; the religion of islam is a traditional Somali religion. The unique Somali expression within this faith is not homologous but in Somalia , the Somali traditions are distinctively Somali. This is because the process of acceptance had Somalis as agents of their destiny and hence Somalinized this religion as opposed to be victims of other people’s interpretations.

This does not mean that the alteration to culture was not destructive at times, but to use these terms are very loaded. The problem of undue cultural influence became an issue where to be Islamic meant taking on the cultural attributes of the dominant practitioners of this faith, may they be Arab or Asian. So this is a cultural challenge not serviced by throwing the baby out with the bath water. If Muslims are sensitive to this they will select Somali Muslim names, as opposed to Arab names, they will seek out Somali interpretations, which speak to their reality,

But religion is part of human globalize culture and cross-fertilization is an aspect of human history and it is in this context that religion should be looked at in Somalia and indeed world history.

Reality Check

The question to all those that seek to re-divide up Somalia by being anti-Islamic is what, in practical terms, do they want Somalis to do? Beyond the rhetoric, what is their plan to fix what they see as a conflict? Should the Ancient Mosques and Monuments in Zeila & Mogadishu and Ogaden be burnt? Are you going to rip Islam from the corpse of Saayid Abudllah Hassan and see what is left? Do they expect 20 million people to mass exit these two religions? In addition, what religion are they bringing as an alternative? Will this native Somali religion work in the 21st century? Today many so-called native faiths have very harmful practices such as the Muti in South Africa and other faiths which are highly superstitious.

It is not like removing European clothing and wearing Somali clothing. So practically, it is a futile endeavor to attempt to mass convert a country in which the people are 99.9% followers of Islam, It would be far better to Somalinize this Religion and make them service the people and the culture at the same time. It would be more sincere to unite the Somali poeple around a common moral core

https://somalihormariyo.wordpress.com/2015/11/02/somali-and-religion/

 

[Geeljire]

Dude, you're engaging in mental gymnastics bro lol

Islam and eastern cultures is alien to Europe but yet you are allowed to practise it as you please, and have the same right as the local natives. The same cannot be said for the middle east.

What im saying is very basic. You guys are acting like i pulled out a complex Mathematical equation. Mental Gymnastics kulaha.

You are still holding up Western Values and Behavior as the norm. OFC! the same cannot be said for the middeleast , They are not europe!! dafuq! That is the point i was making Every society has their own red lines of what is lawful expression.

 

[Geeljire]

did you or did you not post this utter drivel ? check below.

Saaxiib im sorry for making you cry , Tell my if you want me to buy you some pampers for compensation.

 

[uncleruckus]

Never in my entire life have i read such bull i had to double back and check again if this was a hallucination of some sort, waan wareeyra shakiiy ba ii galee waxaan iis daheey did your coffee get spiked or what ? or are you smoking them fake Turkish cigarettes again maybe that's it, yes yes that's the only reasonable out come for me to even read such utter nonsensical clap trap that a ten year old can take apart and poke more holes in it then a swizz cheese has, because for a mere human being to even think up this idiocracy defies any and all logic and common sense.

 

[uncleruckus]

Cry kulaha you made me cry as much as oxygen can make me cry inhaling it

 

[uncleruckus]

anyway's that's it for now, it was fun and all taking the piss ill crip walk my self out of this thread.

 

[Geeljire]

I should have known some of what i said hurt his feelings , nigga went balistic spamming the thread!!

 

[ciddhartha]

The parallels to this forum are striking

@Duchess @AbdiJohnson @administrator

 

[Geeljire]

The nigga Uncleruckus needs Pampers quick!!! he is leaking all over the place.

 

[uncleruckus]

The nigga Uncleruckus needs Pampers quick!!! he is leaking all over the place.

See what i am talking about what is the difference between you and a handicapped parrot absolutely nothing both are of the same breed, why do i say this because it was Rooble saying to you that you were leaking out of your orifices not long ago and now your here saying i am leaking, shit this nigga is a absolute copy machine you don't have any original thoughts do you? anyway's i am out

 

[Geeljire]

See what i am talking about what is the difference between you and a handicapped parrot absolutely nothing both are of the same breed, why do i say this because it was Rooble saying to you that you were leaking out of your orifices not long ago and now your here saying i am leaking, shit this nigga is a absolute copy machine you don't have any original thoughts do you? anyway's i am out

WTF are saying saaxiib for the love of god.

Dude just stop this is just really sad and pathetic, just bow out gracefully.

 

[Phoenix]

North Korea monitors their citizens say and think outside their homes. Western countries monitors
theirs citizens in their private homes. They have brain washed these sheeple to think they have something
called 'freedom'. My negro's there's nothing your government does know about you. But hey its to keep
us safe obamadatazz

How do western countries monitor you? Google is your friend

 

[Phoenix]

How do you manage to sleep at night, knowing this thing you call freedom is bs

 

[Phoenix]

freedom

 

[Bielsa]

What im saying is very basic. You guys are acting like i pulled out a complex Mathematical equation. Mental Gymnastics kulaha.

You are still holding up Western Values and Behavior as the norm. OFC! the same cannot be said for the middeleast , They are not europe!! dafuq! That is the point i was making Every society has their own red lines of what is lawful expression.

You seem like a nice guy. I hope one day you realise religion is a bunch of man made nonsense, and God doesn't actually exist.

 

[uncleruckus]

WTF are saying saaxiib for the love of god.

Dude just stop this is just really sad and pathetic, just bow out gracefully.

So you are saying your not a retarded parrot who regurgitates Bs let's see about that.

Did you or did you not make a post about Rooble and he went to town on you saying this.

Siilka iska dhaq you're leaking bruh.

+1 On the Meme though. You're improving.

Although you poured too much tears in that post. Like a nagging . Seems you were holding all those feelings in.

Let all your feelings out kid.

You could've at least spelled ''Ugaas'' right before creating the account though.

My brother I could easily character assassinate you, but it's just a forum.

The one thing I don't do is align myself with Eyrabs and Habesha, but somehow I'm a bootyclapper for them.

You cockguzzling , you should try taking forums less serious. This shit is hilarious.

Check for the highlighted bit, and your here telling me i am leaking huh doesn't that sound familiar, it seem's your kind of slow maybe through mental deficiency ? who knows, that is why i keep reiterating your nothing but a pseudo intellect gargling and spewing bs left and right, you have no original thought's of your own your nothing but a zombie, and any one who takes you serious or even considers the bs you peddle ba ka walaan, about me gracefully bowing out like some how you got the upper hand on this ahaha a little advice kid >>

your out of you're depth kid and don't take any thing to heart is just banter

 

[Geeljire]

You seem like a nice guy. I hope one day you realise religion is a bunch of man made nonsense, and God doesn't actually exist.

You guys need to chill , you guys are acting like straight psychopaths (Ayaan Hirsi Style). Sheesh such an unhealthy obssession.

Just take a chill pill and grab a book of the Quran & unwind a little.