Dr Osman - Monarchy Hour

[DR OSMAN]

This is for the monarchists camp in us, since I hold this qadiyad very strongly as a I do for a secular representative govt. I don't believe in an all powerful govt whatsoever but one that is merely a representative of the all powerful sultanates.

 

[DR OSMAN]

My boqortoyo and sultanates doesn't fall under the state, they are the 'state' in my head and the govt-courts-parliament fall under the boqor, I am not republican whatsoever I don't believe the people are the state. So know my 'qadiyad' before u to criticise me for qabiil, I am not entertaining that we fall under the 'people' whatsoever is my issue and a class-less society based on 'somalinimo' ethnicity. If u want to fight with a republican who holds that thought go ahead but don't come near me with it. I am against the whole structure of the state, where-as republican are fighting on the govt structure itself like federal/central/islamist/secular.

I will not entertain discussing the form of govt if I don't even agree with the question of head of state itself which u republicans say 'the people' i say the 'boqor' and me @Jablibax are strict monarchist and so is @Farjano-Walad do not be fooled by his 'sayid' love he kicked him out also kkkk like boqor osman kicked out keenadiid kkkk. We only honor keenadiid for SYL and bringing these 'tribes' in the south under 'somalinimo' and creating that identity for them since there was no social order among them as their last sultanate was destroyed the ajuuran and they fell under the italian. The same goes for Isaaq as they had no sultanates and fell under the queen as 'tribes' which is what their treaty says since their was no social order, historical institutions, culture, class, lineage and blue blood aristoracy.

 

[DR OSMAN]

These people only 'head' the govt and deliver services while parliament legislates law thru the MP and the court prosecutes them. But the sultanates is outside those people jurisdiction nor are they equal and sharing shit, ma sinna, mana hos tago dawlad manta la abuuray, he is the head of state as boqor burhan with his aristocrats(darod clans who are of differing status) kkkkk.

Maybe @Farjano-Walad won't be happy with falling under the 'oday dhaqameed' structure but wants a 'house' of his own or chambers. This is the real state owner and the govt-courts-parliaments 'report' to them. The people are the 'tribes' of isaaq-hawiye who fall under the 'govt jurisdiction' as the 'people' and 'somali' since there isn't much historical institutions-aristocrats-culture-dhaxal-lineage-class system that developed whatsoever nor a social order. A hawiye n isaaq will argue with their 'elder ku sheeg' which isn't based on dynasty respect n create new elders showing u 'wax saldhig' ay ku fadhiso ma jirto kkkkk, it's merely 'mickey mouse copy darod' at all costs like isaaq copied our 'binu ukail' pride in the past. Look at these niggas 'explode' when an osman mahmoud uu 'caqli celiyo' they will 'crumble' and 'shake' in fear when this man 'speaks' oo 'afgaban'

But I form apart of the 'aristocracy' which my sub-sub-clan is apart of as 'oday dhaqameed' which is 'cultured elder superior class of people weeye' not 'elder qabiil which is aborigine' kkkk like the rest of the nation, we are pure blue blood ma xishoodno, that's why my clan refused to join the republic and stayed in PL at all times and considered the 'other uncultured people in somalia beneath' them kkkk irrespective of the 'republican cry of somali waa hal there is no distinction and class and tribe' nonsense

 

[DR OSMAN]

Isaaq SNM purely hated 'darod' they had no love for the dictator nor the monarchy of majerten, so it's purely based on cadifad of darod neceb, as SSDF tried to negiotate with them and they said 'siyad ba dhaanto dhaxaltoyada aad sheegaysan' kkkk so why didn't they work with MJ who opposed to Siyad, why is they saw as all darod kuma fadhin 'caqli, cilm' ama anything a 'civilized people' would support.

 

[Dues Ex Machina]

If Somalia was to become a full aristocracy ruled by a monarchy, there would need to be a subjugation of the people that don't fall under a saldanad since they will try and destroy it. This was true in all instances of history such as the Roman empire when the barbarians sacked Rome and burned anything that resembled civilization and wanted the Romans to go into a Dark Age. Furthermore all kingdoms had to conquer the land they ruled over and thus taxed their sub

For example when it comes to saldanad or dhaqan, the current President comes under the man in the middle Ugaas Mohamed Ugaas kayse and in your instance Said Deni comes under the man to the left of him Boqor Burhan. Since these two communities come under different saldanads how would you create a singular monarchy and how would you subjugate other communities that don't have a saldanad and are known as cawaan?

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Dues Ex Machete the boqortoyo is equivalent of 'monarch' where-as 'saldanad' are closer to 'kingdoms' who have large jurisdiction of people based on 'clan' and 'social order' among them thru 'cultured men or oday dhaqameed' known as 'aristocrats' these people stand to preserve 'saldanad and thus preserve the monarch' the 'monarch' is boqor burhan, the saldanad are 'sade, absame, other hartis' who have developed a social order thru 'dhaxal' on the 'sultan' and 'elections' on the 'aristocrats' at the jifi level based on pure 'intellect, cultural knowledge, status' notice it says 'oday dhaqameed' meaning he stands purely for the 'culture developed thru the kings', they also have designated duties of course like conflict resolution, land management, social responsibility of ensuring their clan is following a 'set direction' of 'progress' so a 'class system' evolves such as 'Jabarti order and religious class', 'the ukail order of soldier in memory of his bravery', a business class, an intellectual class(wax-garad), a nomadic, farming, fishing, professional skilled class for the 'average local' with a key emphasis to encourage 'progress n development' as the core 'values' of those people not so much 'qabiil competition' that was inherited from republic that just turned into 'qabiil race' purely grounded in nothing since the past was eliminated.

U can't compare anything like that exists in other Somali clans since it was taken away from them by the queen of elizabeth designating them 'tribes' of her dominion and the collapse n dark age to follow from ajuuran sultanates only led to sultan barqash from oman to add those ppl into his dominion and finaly italians took over 'royal duties'. I hope you don't compare 'darod' to anything that exists in the nation and if u do then it's purely due to your republican nonsense to erase anything of the past for your 'uncertain future' of class-less no history people

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Dues Ex Machete it's true when they say qabiil for the sake of qabiil uma talin karo qabiil kale, I don't disagree whatsoever lakin qabiil saldanad ama aristocrats leh waa uu talin kara qabiil kale since they lack social order, heirachy, class system, and not grounded in knowledge as the core pillars directing it. I understand the south or north saying qabiil oo qabiil kale uma talin karo among themselves in 'isaaq areas' saying that to HY and HJ waa wax wada qaawan labadu dee, and same for hawiye in the south saying the same thing and hence they fall under 'saldanad be it queen elizabeth or italian royals' so that's understandable.

But they have no right to say that to 'darod man' who isn't simply just a 'qabiil' but has proven historical institution of social order, heirachy, class system, and aristocrats who hold onto preservation of this and do not want the republican class-less society over-riding it hence their will be a clash for the foreseeable future in my opinion

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Dues Ex Machete no-one is going to over-ride the great house of sade, absame, and other harti houses ok, since they have a 'house of order, culture, knowledge, dhaxal, class, and value of progress n development and defence from cawaan'. That house was a 'kingdom' no doubt and has a sophisticated heirachy of cultured men(aristocrats) just like majerteniya was 'sultanates' but now it's been agreed by 'darods' that Majerten is the 'monarch' the boqor of darod since he is the eldest son, yes we did develop our separate sultanates but it was in name of 'binu uqail sprit' kkkk or 'jabarti spirit' of religion it was rarely based on 'trade' it was either a full conquest under the sons of ukail army or full 'jabarti apostle missions' using 'religion'. The problem is there is no 'house' in the 'cawaan' kkkkk and simply just 'tribes' hence that's why they are so qabiil focused because way og yihin qabiil mooye waax kale ay ku fadhiyan ma jiro

The conquests were done with only those 'two ancient methods' with 'cawaans'. They were either expelled completely as that is the son of ukail spirit or they sat n learnt the 'deen' first thru 'jabarti order' and then 'saldanad' wud be created for them which never 'happened' the closest was hobyo one and as u can see the 'cuqdad' in those ppl till today even tho their greatest man abdillahi issa was a son of that sultanates. The boqor osman clearly wanted the 'darod n cawaan line' to remain and was not supportive of incursions into their territorities watsoever nor did he send any 'jabarti order apostles' there and just 'focused' on his area of dominion.

 

[DR OSMAN]

@Dues Ex Machete @AutumnBreeze listen to the hikma of sheikh ali majerten and how smart they were dude. Wuxu yiri

Binu Cuqayl biyaha Jeberti nin ka beermay baan ahay
Daarood bartiisiyo beerkiyo laftaan ahay
Dadku baari kala roone baafane Hartaan ahay
Majeerteenka sida buurta u ballaartay baan ahay

He said in english translation 'im the son of ukail that was born thru the seed of jabarti' I am 'half darod and the backbone it sits on' 'he said bari people are not equal im Harti' and he ends with 'I am majerteen that has spread so far and has spread to become a mountain'

If u know the 'hikma' behind 'real poetry' u will see he is basically saying to people that I started of as a 'seed of jabarti' and son of 'ukail who was a military general of great honor' and he has indicating that he is now half darod and Majerten is like that mountain u see there and how it spread to a giant.

Meaning behind it is I started of as 'seed of sperm of jabarti' and thru 'ukail the military general' today I am that 'mountain' u see. Where-as other 'gabays' no offence they are nowhere near that level of 'sophistication' of 'knowledge' besides 'sayid abdulle'. Majertens have some of the greatest poets in Somali history, we are definitely a 'heavyweight' especially my clan 'osman mahmoud' so are dhulbahante-ogaden which I won't deny, but Majertens are also up there in poetry without a doubt.