Donald Trump Cabinet Meeting

[DR OSMAN]

Watch the 7:23 mark, he is going to be negiotating Iran cause he just said something will happen(economic-military-border-air-sea links all cut) he is fuckin ass is gonna run quicker then KIM did and TRUMP KNOWS. Or else have the country starve and go into disorder and eventually over-throw the ayatollah is the only other route out of that. Any country seen helping Iran, it's gonna look bad wink wink Russia or any of it's neighbors trying to provide relief!!!

Remember when KIM said he won't talk to trump and how trump was a dotarte looooool, his ass is now on the table looooooooool or lose your power as ur own people overthrow you and trump dont waste a cent on lives or money, he aint losing anything trump, KIM knew he was losing(trump has the franchise japan-south korea-singapore) in the area plus he mutual interesting his ass with china which is another backup to ensure north korea is gonna starve kim is running into singapore and sent 3 americans over to trump and start the denuking process and FIRM DATES. U never know could come with stipulation like miss the deadline or watever your gonna be sieged KIM automatic please sign the dotted line that u accepted that u will be sieged for non-compliance(no way out for kim for human right nonsense) he cant even argue human right anyways wat the f*ck u doing with a nuke if u want human rights and he dont even give that shit to his ppl so he is the last to ask for it.

North Korea is in a bad spot, could they stretch the dates out for years? if not i dont know how his getting out of it, stalling isnt an option trump he is walking out and siege begins as he does. So he has to keep trump at the table, its not trump KEEPING HIM THERE SXB. There is no leverage from korea other then china who is so tied up with trump trade and worrying for his ass and economic tariffs that could happen he is probably thinking for himself lol that he helps trump denuke china and in return let china have a better deal in trade.

I could see trump accepting that but he could not also and just say you wont trade here XI if u dont fix it up in north korea and trade. It depends he said he like XI so he may go easy but he dont have too though, XI probably has try to pampering him up, offer him personal things trump wants in china or links for friends or watever.

 

[DR OSMAN]

These non western countries including us why do we act stupid on the world stage, what sort of leverage does north korea or iran have? a nuke? a missile? russia and china? you saw how china immediately backed away from north korea, every man for himself when it comes to interests and russia will do the same if trump goes hard on them cause they ain't stronger then china at all.

Unless trump is in bed with russia cause its strange russia is so easy to pick off compared to china. So why would Iran even say something like we wont negiotate, he even knows how lame they are and what they will say. They need to know trump aint the one that needs to be on the table, there no leverage whatsoever they have military, economic, sanctions, nukes, they have nothing to keep him scared and then they come on tv and say WE WONT NEGIOTATE. Thats why these countries will always be lamers and the world just laffs at them, trump just walks away and u will cry when your ppl slam your door cause they cant work eat and do anything all your businesses can move on air, land or sea who is losing here? and they get on TV with that macho mid-east crap we wont negiotate. Trump knows their playin games and will have their ass quicker then anything possibly somewhere in EUROPE loooooooooool they aint going to saudi or its friends looooooool

 

[DR OSMAN]

Iran has one real hope in this situation and only ONE, this is a bad situation already before they starve you out just begin a war and then have them send missiles to destroy your plants and then it will be like 'hey israel we got rid of it' and trump just goes back to business as usual. That is the best thing for them it's a bad situation(siege) or a war and a war ends at least u know bro a siege wont and if its heavy siege its even worse.

Iran needs to do something really provocative to get missiles hit on it not an invasion done on it but just missles and all its nuclear plants destroyed, lose the money, and investments into it they can re-do when trump is gone. Will trump allow it? he may hit em with missiles and still want their ass on the table tommorow then it's pointless again. I can't see anyway iran is getting out of this. They wont give up their missiles thats for sure thats helping its proxies and maybe trump asking for heaps and then brings it down back to just nukes really who knows it could be ploy to ask for missiles.

Or sign a deal and save your administration. It don't matter if Israel has a nuke why does Iran care it is under Russia nuke protection, russia wont allow its major partner in the east touched by america little there!!!

 

[Shushue]

These non western countries including us why do we act stupid on the world stage, what sort of leverage does north korea or iran have? a nuke? a missile? russia and china? you saw how china immediately backed away from north korea, every man for himself when it comes to interests and russia will do the same if trump goes hard on them cause they ain't stronger then china at all.

Unless trump is in bed with russia cause its strange russia is so easy to pick off compared to china. So why would Iran even say something like we wont negiotate, he even knows how lame they are and what they will say. They need to know trump aint the one that needs to be on the table, there no leverage whatsoever they have military, economic, sanctions, nukes, they have nothing to keep him scared and then they come on tv and say WE WONT NEGIOTATE. Thats why these countries will always be lamers and the world just laffs at them, trump just walks away and u will cry when your ppl slam your door cause they cant work eat and do anything all your businesses can move on air, land or sea who is losing here? and they get on TV with that macho mid-east crap we wont negiotate. Trump knows their playin games and will have their ass quicker then anything possibly somewhere in EUROPE loooooooooool they aint going to saudi or its friends looooooool

Iran is a radical theocratic regime unlike North Korea, they have religious reasons not to capitulate on the nuclear programme and regional proxy wars.

Its tougher than North Korea in that aspect.

If the Ayatollah doesnt capitulate then it ends with an uprising and topple of the regime because of the economic squize, it doesnt look beautiful.

Also millions will flee Iran through Turkey and into Europe, a new wave of refugees.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Iran is a radical theocratic regime unlike North Korea, they have religious reasons not to capitulate on the nuclear programme and regional proxy wars.

Its tougher than North Korea in that aspect.

If the Ayatollah doesnt capitulate then it ends with an uprising and topple of the regime because of the economic squize, it doesnt look beautiful.

Also millions will flee Iran through Turkey and into Europe, a new wave of refugees.

With all due respect but to manage a proxy war he needs IRAN to be operating no starving thru a siege? so that really aint a factor, if they aint no Iran the proxy wars die out on their own thru supply starvation and no-one else is picking up the slack, the ammos and funds eventually run out or they will so low im not sure how their gonna keep fighting. Trump still achieves his objective it's not good. It depends on how strong the sanctions are because I haven't seen a real sanction ancient siege style in the modern world the closest i remember was the food for oil in Iraq or is there some sweet spot that trump can target in the iranian economy that brings everything connected to it's key lifelines down? like where it gets it gas or energy?

In all honesty I think Ayatollah will be running his ass into conference begging trump to begin it early and finish it very soon and yes ayatollah will probaby attend as its so serious looooooool

 

[Shushue]

Iran has one real hope in this situation and only ONE, this is a bad situation already before they starve you out just begin a war and then have them send missiles to destroy your plants and then it will be like 'hey israel we got rid of it' and trump just goes back to business as usual. That is the best thing for them it's a bad situation(siege) or a war and a war ends at least u know bro a siege wont and if its heavy siege its even worse.

Iran needs to do something really provocative to get missiles hit on it not an invasion done on it but just missles and all its nuclear plants destroyed, lose the money, and investments into it they can re-do when trump is gone. Will trump allow it? he may hit em with missiles and still want their ass on the table tommorow then it's pointless again. I can't see anyway iran is getting out of this. They wont give up their missiles thats for sure thats helping its proxies and maybe trump asking for heaps and then brings it down back to just nukes really who knows it could be ploy to ask for missiles.

Or sign a deal and save your administration. It don't matter if Israel has a nuke why does Iran care it is under Russia nuke protection, russia wont allow its major partner in the east touched by america little there!!!

Theres no way out especially since the hardliners have been enforced since Trump ended the deal.

The problem with America is that it denies Iran a sphere of its own influence, just as Russia is allowed to influence its neighbours and China too. It should be allowed for any major country with economic and strategic interests at risk.

It wants Iran to be silent and passive participant of the region, basically allow America free reign of its neighborhood.

Does Israel have missiles close to Iranian border? No but Iran does have missiles and militias surronding Israel.

Iran used to have a good relationship with Israel pre-revolution of 1979, it choose to tear that relationship by its own will.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Theres no way out especially since the hardliners have been enforced since Trump ended the deal.

The problem with America is that it denies Iran a sphere of its own influence, just as Russia is allowed to influence its neighbours and China too. It should be allowed for any major country with economic and strategic interests at risk.

It wants Iran to be silent and passive participant of the region, basically allow America free reign of its neighborhood.

Does Israel have missiles close to Iranian border? No but Iran does have missiles and militias surronding Israel.

Iran used to have a good relationship with Israel pre-revolution of 1979, it choose to tear that relationship by its own will.

Your talking around the one of the most lucrative oil fields in the world, if bullets are flying around it, noone is fuckin drilling and that means like having one gas station in a city, can u imagine the NIGHTMARE FROM THAT and the shut down occuring to western economies and when they shut down so do all their partners who deal with them? it could even lead to food shortages as tractors need oil and wont be able to delivers produce to shops. It ain't good, forget internet and all power, electricity and gas related stuff also, screw planes and cars and trucks right off. Energy is the fuels of an economy if it aint there you aint doing shit. Its like saying I will work in the dark in the room lol.

Russia wants Iran to be its regional player there it's like DNA this stuff, there is one head at the top with many players below and iran is just a player. Having a strong SHIA mid-east aint good for america either way or the west as Russia can use leverage on those countries to do what it likes as it supplies its arms and they could threaten those oil fields or play hoax threats and make it look so real then negiotate with america or the west in russia favor now they have something a leverage. Now you can start saying I AINT NEGIOTATING LOL trump will hurt then, the west will hurt. It could even lead to the west breaking up and everyone be like hey ima take care of my interest and deal with russia on this one their wont be no alliance as russia will say EXIT NATO AND JOIN MY ALLIANCE. ITS COLD WAR ALL OVER AGAIN

 

[Shushue]

With all due respect but to manage a proxy war he needs IRAN to be operating no starving thru a siege? so that really aint a factor, if they aint no Iran the proxy wars die out on their own thru supply starvation and no-one else is picking up the slack, the ammos and funds eventually run out or they will so low im not sure how their gonna keep fighting. Trump still achieves his objective it's not good. It depends on how strong the sanctions are because I haven't seen a real sanction ancient siege style in the modern world the closest i remember was the food for oil in Iraq or is there some sweet spot that trump can target in the iranian economy that brings everything connected to it's key lifelines down? like where it gets it gas or energy?

In all honesty I think Ayatollah will be running his ass into conference begging trump to begin it early and finish it very soon and yes ayatollah will probaby attend as its so serious looooooool

The Ayatollah reigns until he dies and thats the problem, an inperfect old man decides the fate of 80 million people with a proud history.

Actually they would allow their people to starve just to fund the proxy wars, its theocracy not democracy.

 

[DR OSMAN]

The Ayatollah reigns until he dies and thats the problem, an inperfect old man decides the fate of 80 million people with a proud history.

Actually they would allow their people to starve just to fund the proxy wars, its theocracy not democracy.

Ayatollah might be given the crazy look by the world and the media blasting him but he aint stupid, KIM was given the same mad man image, its far beyond their idealogy or madness it's their survival on stake. You can be as mad as you want but you wont be playing mad when your ppl slam your door down and your dragged outside and lose power? you see what i mean bro? he loses more because he loses power and the whole country goes into disarray now its a matter of choosing nuke or missile or his power? its all bad situation but u choose the less worse scenario.

It's not a good scenario either are in at all. The question comes down to trump and how serious he is and how far he will go within the legal limits and whatever that is. I dont know the laws around sanctions but I know ancients sieges and I havent seen one fail thru all the history documentaries I watched. The question is how far the sanction goes and if ayatollah can still operate, if he can then yeah obviously he is safe. But if he kills lifelines like gas and energy or communcation parts needs for his comm links to talk to and communicate and if he has to source parts overseas he can place a world wide ban on that part bang around the world. U aint talking anymore in IRAN, energy even worse, it could be even submarines outside his coastline making sure he aint moving trade, air jets fighters up in the sky you aint moving, countries next door force to close the door. It's the ancient siege just gone modern.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Dude noone knows what trump is gonna do at all sxb, he aint giving anything away so noone can really know but when he says MAXIMUM SIEGE THAT CAN MEAN ANYTHING thats not useful term to understand.

Watch ancient documentaries and see what happened when crusaders sieged the muslims inside jerusalem nothing was allowed in. looooool they dropped like flies. supplies eventually run out bro, you cant keep operating looooooool u need to come outside of the fortress and they go slamming in and their probably all fuckin dead by then.

Just imagine cops surround your ass sxb and u cant get out..you can survive but that fridge is gonna run out the lights will turn off as your cant pay the bills your all going to into darkness and then hunger and thirst and u will kill each other to survive and say we surrender cause if u dont the ppl in ur house will kill u sxb and ask for change of leader anything possible then as death is looming in your team. U shouldnt put them in that situation like KIM did or Iran is its poor planning.

Its honestly a terrifying way to die i think cause u know your dying lol and u know the other guy aint spending much so he aint leaving or running dry on finances.

I guess with iran trump will need find the most critical resource to it's whole economy and the way u can tell is how many things connect of it and then assess the impact and results and if its a death blow, it could be enough but a full ancient siege there is no discussions about that.

 

[Shushue]

This is why secularism is important, decisions should be made from a dispassionate and calculating point of view, not religious and with feelings.

It seems Iran relies on God being on their side.

Very sad that 4 decades was wasted, thats like two generations.

Isreal might be jewish in name but in fact its secularist and liberal.

The Arabs are lucky that they happen to be American allies since Saudi Arabia is theocratic and it couldve ended as Iran if it chose the wrong enemies.

 

[DR OSMAN]

This is why secularism is important, decisions should be made from a dispassionate and calculating point of view, not religious and with feelings.

It seems Iran relies on God being on their side.

Very sad that 4 decades was wasted, thats like two generations.

Isreal might be jewish in name but in fact its secularist and liberal.

The Arabs are lucky that they happen to be American allies since Saudi Arabia is theocratic and it couldve ended as Iran if it chose the wrong enemies.

There is 3 grades of democracies sxb when u look at those countries

1. Highest grade western world and even that is just freedom so its not fool proof as u see alot of injustices and equality matters are not settled. but its highest grade of democracy and leader

2. You got the nationalist type of democracies where your identity matters first like turks, indians, etc etc

3. You got the kangaroo states most of africa lol

I would put india on another category i think its not worthy of turkey or israel status or malaysia cause they will break even on ethnicity within themselves the indians where-as those others not so much as long as your turk, malaysian, JEWISH israeli.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Not sure about India but it has all the hall marks of kangaroo state also, they vote just like african states, just as corrupt also and on paper everything not values, none of those countrie will ever hold hands as indians or watever african country they are since democracy is really just on paper. Its lowest grade of democracy and their lying to themselves. These ones but turks, malaysians, singaporeans, israelis their second grade sxb but identity then talk democracy with them.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Then you got the theocracies that u mentioned and military rulers(thats ancient style stuff), traditionalism(oman), puppet states(gulf backed foreign but it wont use military it bribes its citizens with nice welfare)possibly more I havent look south america properly.

Money and Guns run out bro it's weakest form of governance especially if your relying on an outside power which is worse but its still bad even if its internal as you still need supplies outside unless u do it yourself which none do but even then u still need parts looooool. You saw how siyad dropped when soviets pulled away cause ethiopia is far better option for them larger population and we wont different economically or anything else, they go the number advantage.

 

[Shushue]

Its really Irans fault. They've been playing with the big boy America and expect to go home without bruises.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I think the funds started to dry for siyad as soviets left, guns need money and tanks and his losing territory or expending so much resource but has so little coming as no partners existed for him anymore and the country is poor inside so he cant collect much here then ethiopians send in their little girls to cause trouble for him from different angles knowing his running out of supplies...BOOOOOOOOOOOOM ITS OVER.

Thats why somalia should never focus on big military not yet anyways, it will not be backed up with strong GDP that is stable, we will drop like flies like siyad again. Siyad best option was to do what eritrea is doing now creating a war scenario but not making moves, this keeps the ppl anticipated for ethiopia and keeps them from uprising on him as they see an external threat. How long it last who knows but the second ethiopia aint there i cant see how they dont divide inside on tribe or religion because when ppl dont see external threat, they look back inside bro and some opportunistic politician will come, find a partner and begin a rebellion. then it gets messier as more join, alliances form and heck they may not even agree like what happened in south sudan or somalia.

Thats why im telling u its no point changing the world order, even if we did we will be no different to what happened in somalia as we fight for supremacy and we all die and look at us now but EXPAND THAT TO THE WORLD wat a nitemare.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Thats why im suprised somalis even waste their times on siding with ppl in global events, we know where that shit leads it happened to us internally it will happen over there also. PPL ARE PPL dont matter if its in one country or multiple.

 

[Shushue]

I think the funds started to dry for siyad as soviets left, guns need money and tanks and his losing territory or expending so much resource but has so little coming as no partners existed for him anymore and the country is poor inside so he cant collect much here then ethiopians send in their little girls to cause trouble for him from different angles knowing his running out of supplies...BOOOOOOOOOOOOM ITS OVER.

Thats why somalia should never focus on big military not yet anyways, it will not be backed up with strong GDP that is stable, we will drop like flies like siyad again.

Somalia is so poor that has no choice but to be peaceful with abosolutely everyone, especially with the neighbors.

If you have good relationship with your neighbor then both can spend less on military, which is a desirable thing since you can spend on welfare or whatever.

This is a trap Somaliland and Puntland is in. The relationship is so bad that they have to keep up the military by robbing the tax payer. Both could benefit by deescalating the rethorics. But this is a too complex dynamic for the leadership.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Somalia is so poor that has no choice but to be peaceful with abosolutely everyone, especially with the neighbors.

If you have good relationship with your neighbor then both can spend less on military, which is a desirable thing since you can spend on welfare or whatever.

This is a trap Somaliland and Puntland is in. The relationship is so bad that they have to keep up the military by robbing the tax payer. Both could benefit by deescalating the rethorics. But this is a too complex dynamic for the leadership.

In all honesty though it's somaliland who has the issue and im not saying that cause im from puntland. It's true cause they need distractions to keep away an internal civil war, you see what's happening with their leaders splitting along clan lines(personal interests) but their flame it so its tribal, so any leader who comes just deflects the issue to puntland so they can unite(using external factor) like south sudan did to unite its ppl but see what happened to south sudan when sudan left, they eat themselves bro(cuz their based on tribe) and their is no agreement between them they just agreed on a common enemy? u see thats what happening in somaliland and why their avoiding that. It's not like that in Puntland we dont need somaliland to keep us united but yes we do need HAWIYE TO KEEP US UNITED as we fear them more thru galkayo corridor.

 

[Shushue]

Why didnt Iran know that pursuing nuclear weapons would lead to nuclear proliferation accross the region and nobody would allow that? Its really not a hard thing to connect..