Do We Need SFG Constitution Reform On 2 State Rule?

[DR OSMAN]

Dadka Reer SSC-khatumo laguma cabsiinkaro Narrative ka ah,2 Gobol Iyo badh. Waa in la ogaadaa Dastuurka somalia in uu yahay Qabyo qoraal aan Wali Somali kuheshiin.Maamulka SSC-khaatumo wa Maamul buuxa oo Katirasan DFS

Xilibaan Macow

Is it time as Somalis take out the 2 state rule for state formation? it doesn't make any sense. A state like Bari/Sanaag territorially is worth 6 states in the South. I mean Hobyo no disrespect to Nugaal, is the same size as Nugaal territory wise. I mean middle Juba is the same size as 'ceel-dheer' a district in GM.

This dilemma can be solved by setting minimum 'territory sq measurements' due to the un-reliablity of the 18 state model as that is the only 'accurate' thing we have to work with.

By the way Darawish were the founders of Somalinimo, I doubt any constitution will be settled without their input.

 

[Waaqmasho]

No we don't need to. Listen if galmudug can be considered a state then so can SSC. Trying to deny SSC means we take back recognition from Galmudug.

 

[canjeeroiyoshah]

No we don't need to. Listen if galmudug can be considered a state then so can SSC. Trying to deny SSC means we take back recognition from Galmudug.

They knew from the get that North Mudug would never join but they still went ahead with it. SSC Khaatumo becoming a federal state is non-negotiable.

 

[GaradShabeel]

They knew from the get that North Mudug would never join but they still went ahead with it. SSC Khaatumo becoming a federal state is non-negotiable.

If I remember correctly, they didn't control a significant part of their territory at the time of recognition.

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

SSC will be recognized eventually but they will face obstacles from the FGS jubaland initially faced opposition from the FGS as well

 

[canjeeroiyoshah]

If I remember correctly, they didn't control a significant part of their territory at the time of recognition.

That's right, the region was split between ASWJ, Ximan iyo Xeeb and AS. Galmudug at the point was confined to Baraxley, Galkacyo.

 

[Diaspora ambassador]

I remember Galmudug having a prime minister

 

[RiceMuncher]

My guy anything that'll bring peace and our nationhood is wlc. The road to get there is made of genuin talks and compromises. Waxa jira hada waa wax dibada ka yimi. Somali have to make their own arrangements taking example in our dhaqan and deen.

 

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

Imagine you developed a game, you set the rules of the game and all the parameters. Someone else comes and plays the game with you, defeats you consistently day after day.

This is basically what has happened to PL, they created the constitution they even altered it multiple times to favour them, yet Hawiyo are beating them again and again in their own game.


@DR OSMAN your SSDF predecessors failed you because they didn't equip P; with the right strategy to tackle new educated and wealthy Hawiyo factions, all they know is anti-Kacaan gibberish that is obsolete in 2023.

this is ultimately what rendered North Mudug a disputed territory.

 

[Hilmaam]

major deal was signed between somaliland and Khatumo in 2017 and somaliland didn't follow through on promises made during caynabo agreement. Dhulbahnate was making all the sacrficies to keep peace by ignoring lack of funding and representation and somaliland saw it as weakness till they pushed to far and now they have been humbled.

https://www.somalispot.com/threads/somaliland-khaatumo-sign-unity-agreement.25784/page-4

We all know current FGS just like previous administration will ignore somaliland and let them do own thing. I also doubt any FMS will help Khatumo get statehood. Puntland politicians probably licking chops at potentially revenue they can get from khatumo rejoining puntland.

 

[GaradShabeel]

Imagine you developed a game, you set the rules of the game and all the parameters. Someone else comes and plays the game with you, defeats you consistently day after day.

This is basically what has happened to PL, they created the constitution they even altered it multiple times to favour them, yet Hawiyo are beating them again and again in their own game.


@DR OSMAN your SSDF predecessors failed you because they didn't equip P; with the right strategy to tackle new educated and wealthy Hawiyo factions, all they know is anti-Kacaan gibberish that is obsolete in 2023.

this is ultimately what rendered North Mudug a disputed territory.

How is N. Mudug disputed when part of the foundations of TGS (and thus FGS) was recognizing pre-existing states?

 

[DR OSMAN]

Imagine you developed a game, you set the rules of the game and all the parameters. Someone else comes and plays the game with you, defeats you consistently day after day.

This is basically what has happened to PL, they created the constitution they even altered it multiple times to favour them, yet Hawiyo are beating them again and again in their own game.


@DR OSMAN your SSDF predecessors failed you because they didn't equip P; with the right strategy to tackle new educated and wealthy Hawiyo factions, all they know is anti-Kacaan gibberish that is obsolete in 2023.

this is ultimately what rendered North Mudug a disputed territory.

Hawiye educated? their all fkn brotherhood islah crap and all their strategies are exposed thru their founder Hassan Bana, Syed Qutb. I read it and know exactly all the moves they can make, once your strategem is published and exposed, u need to quickly get rid of the idealogy as the enemy can predict your moves, but knowing hawiye, they won't so it's easy seeing. Besides their only playin this jambal becuz of 'xaan cuna politics' nothing else, if their so rich, why are all their leaders so money hungry, their ppl doing isbaaro every 2 km, that resembles 'poverty' like how african americans are constantly 'money crazy' it's cuz it's absent in their hoods.

Abdillahi even paid them off 100k each all warlords and they reinvested dummy into hormuud, even ali mahdi admitted his sins and his tower and all of their towers come from our bribes. MJ is way way way ahead, their usually 20 years behind is the general rule. @bidenkulaha

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

How is N. Mudug disputed when part of the foundations of TGS (and thus FGS) was recognizing pre-existing states?

Idk tbh all I know is that GM claimed the entirety of north mudug until recently

 

[GaradShabeel]

Idk tbh all I know is that GM claimed the entirety of north mudug until recently

I know, but it was not based on the constitution which is why they haven't been able to lay legally claim to N. Mudug.

 

[Chaseyourdreamzz]

I know, but it was not based on the constitution which is why they haven't been able to lay legally claim it.

The funny thing is If north mudug joined GM the population would be equally 50/50 between daarood an hawiye

 

[Dalalos_ibn_Adali]

How is N. Mudug disputed when part of the foundations of TGS (and thus FGS) was recognizing pre-existing states?

 

[GaradShabeel]

The funny thing is If north mudug joined GM the population would be equally 50/50 between daarood an hawiye

Given their high urbanization rate to Xamar, it would only be a matter of time before they would become a minority.

 

[GaradShabeel]

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I think it's more to do with the conflicts of 'territorial disputes' by GM, which is why SSC also were regarded as 'disputed' since SL also claimed it.

But the constitution doesn't given N. Mudug to GM (or SSC to SL). Also, that map comes from the World Bank and not FGS.

Tbh, some politicians have also a habit of pursuing personal/clan interests, despite being unconstitutional. Remember HSM's first term, when he claimed that GM borders ends right at Burtinle/Nugaal, which subsequently started the GM-PL war and 'AS' in 2015/2016.

 

[DR OSMAN]

I think it's more to do with the conflicts of 'territorial disputes' by GM, which is why SSC is also disputed as SL also claimed it.

But the constitution doesn't given N. Mudug to GM, which is what I was trying to imply. Also, that map comes from the World Bank and not FGS.

Tbh, some politicians have a habit of pushing personal unconstitutional interests. Remember when HSM claimed that GM borders ends with the borders of Nugaal, which subsequently started the GM-PL conflict and 'AS'.

FGS created the MAP and sent it to the world bank. World bank can be taken to bosaso to galkacyo on a drive and its 750 KM, all that land is ours. Same distance as Mogadishu to Hamar. What's a silly map going to change except give PL ammo to add more 'falsehoods' of hawiye to the world so they can be descredited or taken with suspicion anything they say on politics also.

 

[Cush]

Why is north Mudug in GM anyway why can't they just secede