Do we have free will, or are we predetermined?

[moosaid]

Libet (1983) — Finger lift

https://www.federvolley.it/sites/default/files/Brain-1983-LIBET%20-%20Time%20of%20consious%20intention%20to%20act%20in%20relation%20to%20onset%20of%20cerebral%20activity.

What they did: Ask ppl to lift a finger whenever they want & report when they felt the urge. EEG recorded brain activity.

Result: Brain started preparing ~300‑500 ms before ppl were aware.
Soon et al. (2008) — Left/Right choice

Unconscious determinants of free decisions in the human brain - PubMed

There has been a long controversy as to whether subjectively 'free' decisions are determined by brain activity ahead of time. We found that the outcome of a decision can be encoded in brain activity of prefrontal and parietal cortex up to 10 s before it enters awareness. This delay presumably...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

What they did: fMRI, ppl choose left or right hand whenever, report when they decided.

Result was Brain patterns could predict choice 7‑10 sec before ppl felt they decided.

 

[Caaro]

All of this is bullshit because I wasn’t the test subject.

for me it is the opposite. I decide 25 ms before I make my move.

this is why I never listen to any studies or reports because at the end of the day items irrelevant to me and my being.

i wasn’t even alive in 1983.

 

[moosaid]

All of this is bullshit because I wasn’t the test subject.

for me it is the opposite. I decide 25 ms before I make my move.

this is why I never listen to any studies or reports because at the end of the day items irrelevant to me and my being.

i wasn’t even alive in 1983

The study in 2008, they knew what the person would choose before the idea even came to their mind.