Do clans have the right to self determination

[Jaffar]

For example do clans have that right or is this only for ethnic groups Do the people have the right to claim they want autonomy even up to secession and do they have the right to also oppose it, For examle, also does the state owns the land or do the clans own the land

 

[Vacelere]

For example do clans have that right or is this only for ethnic groups Do the people have the right to claim they want autonomy even up to secession and do they have the right to also oppose it, For examle, also does the state owns the land or do the clans own the land

No one have that right only who is under the nationalism banner.

 

[Mohamedamiin120]

For example do clans have that right or is this only for ethnic groups Do the people have the right to claim they want autonomy even up to secession and do they have the right to also oppose it, For examle, also does the state owns the land or do the clans own the land

Clans do not have the right to self determination, if they did then this country would have been dissolved in the 90s.

 

[Galguduudguy]

For example do clans have that right or is this only for ethnic groups Do the people have the right to claim they want autonomy even up to secession and do they have the right to also oppose it, For examle, also does the state owns the land or do the clans own the land

It’s one of those rights that only exists at the end of a gun

 

[Mohamedamiin120]

It’s one of those rights that only exists at the end of a gun

Unfortunately true.

 

[El Nino]

Clans do not have the right to self determination because it harms the overall wellbeing of the whole ethnic group.

Somali clans nationwide are actively working against each other and thus have exteremely weakened our geopolitical standing. Gaal wexee u arkaayaan walaal, deriskooda oo muslim ah waa cadow.

I wouldn’t mind that somali clans ruled themselves, if every square meter of our lands would be solely under our control. Thats not the case and in order to achieve that we need to work together.

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[Jaffar]

Clans do not have the right to self determination because it harms the overall wellbeing of the whole ethnic group.

Somali clans nationwide are actively working against each other and thus have exteremely weakened our geopolitical standing. Gaal wexee u arkaayaan walaal, deriskooda oo muslim ah waa cadow.

I wouldn’t mind that somali clans ruled themselves, if every square meter of our lands would be solely under our control. Thats not the case and in order to achieve that we need to work together.

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The question, however, is this who has the authority to make decisions for whom? Or, by what right does one clan decide on behalf of another? This is where the real problem lies.

 

[caano_shaah]

Qabiil qaran ma noqdo. Being divided by clans will only serve the interests of our enemies as it would severely weaken us militarily.

 

[The Oponian Guild]

Yes, the more larger clans are basically nations that have had their own history of self rulership before the advent of colonialism.

instead of seeking to bring all somali under one umbrella, we should work to form a military pact of sorts and cooperate with one another, putting our adherence to Islam and a shared ancient origin at the forefront, that seems more feasible.

 

[El Nino]

The question, however, is this who has the authority to make decisions for whom? Or, by what right does one clan decide on behalf of another? This is where the real problem lies.

No clan has solely decided anything, modern day Somalia came to existence with the co-operation of various clans, practically all clans participated.

The problem is clans have reverted back to cawaannimo and shortsightedness. It shouldn’t be hard for clans to acknowledge that cooperation is the way forward.

The government is the FGS which is the successor state to all the previous governments. It has the authority and clans should abide by it. Its corrupt, but it can be salvaged.

 

[Jaffar]

Qabiil qaran ma noqdo. Being divided by clans will only serve the interests of our enemies as it would severely weaken us militarily.

Wu noqda is the qabil is big enough wu noqda Ogaden qaran wa noqda harti wa noqon karaan

 

[Jaffar]

No clan has solely decided anything, modern day Somalia came to existence with the co-operation of various clans, practically all clans participated.

The problem is clans have reverted back to cawaannimo and shortsightedness. It shouldn’t be hard for clans to acknowledge that cooperation is the way forward.

The government is the FGS which is the successor state to all the previous governments. It has the authority and clans should abide by it. Its corrupt, but it can be salvaged.

Here is the problem. Puntland feels its older then the sfg hence why they break ranks puntland says their constitution is superior to that of the sfg. Somaliland doesn’t even recognise the sfg . They even believe they are older then Somalia it’s self so how do we reconcile theirs opposing views

 

[Jaffar]

Yes, the more larger clans are basically nations that have had their own history of self rulership before the advent of colonialism.

instead of seeking to bring all somali under one umbrella, we should work to form a military pact of sorts and cooperate with one another, putting our adherence to Islam and a shared ancient origin at the forefront, that seems more feasible.

This is an excellent point hence why we have the 4,5 maybe we should establish a monarchy