Differences in Geeljire Americans, Canadian, Europeans and UK

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I've noticed some differences between the Somalis in North America (Canda & USA) and Europe and the way we live our lives. I will be discussing the ways of life (religion, culture, employment, politics, fashion) and there are some unique things you'll find. I will also separate the UK from Europe as their quite distinct too.


Starting off with religion:

In North America, Somalis are your basic sunni muslim.

There are fewer salafis here when compared to the UK with the most concentration in Minnesota, but generally are in hiding and aren't as controversial and flamboyant as their UK counterparts. Many Somalis here will eat any meat that isn't pork, and aren't as strict on that as their UK counterparts. In general, Somalis are more religious than the average muslims in North America atleast and seem to be even more religious when we live together in large numbers eg. (Toronto, Minnesota). But we're not as religious as the UK folks.



The major difference from Europe is that here in North America especially in Canada we have a large portion of liberal progressive muslim's. Many of these liberal progressive muslims have this stance because of the way society here allows better integration of people here in to larger society especially when compared to Europe.


This has led to muslims who're more politically involved but it has also led to the attempt to fit, morph and distort Islam and its values to fit into western ideals. It's starting to gain ground in the UK, with the likes of Tariq Ramadhan and others but mainly in the paki/arab communities.
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In Europe, Somalis and muslim immigrants seem to be more isolated and excluded from the larger society. They're in their ethnic ghetto's, where unemployment is high. This can be seen especially in parts of Sweden and voluntarily segregated London. This may be the reason why many have taken stronger views on the deen. The Somali's in UK seem to be more cultured and religious, they also have less identity crisis and are more confident in their beliefs. You're allowed to express yourself there more, us American/Canadians can't get away with that without being put on a FBI watchlist.
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In Politics:


In N. America, the Somalis are more politically involved and aware then our UK and European counterparts. My theory is that it has to do with the fact that we're encouraged by societies here to participate and become part of the fabric of the country.
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North America was built by immigrants, and it can feel natural to say you're American/Canadian then to say you're Swedish or Danish where immigrants there aren't integrated. North America is also more used to accepting immigrants and are better at integrating them than Europe. From the very beginning in Europe, the Somali/Muslim is made to feel alien, many of them living in whole regions where they only live. Some of them who've lived their for a decade, can't even speak the language of the country and many are unemployed. The economic model of Europe is an economic disaster but thats for another paragraph.


In employment:


American Somalis in terms of employment and entrepreneurship have the highest rates in the diaspora.

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From the side of my family who live in the states, they seem to have an abundance of jobs. Some of whom have 2 or 3 jobs, heck even my 15 year old cousin is working and a 17 year old cousin has a full driving license and working part time already. It's hard to find a job that young in Canada, and the requirements are too many.

With the goold old american capitalism, the adeer who just landed yesterday will be able to receive a driver's license and a job within a month without a lick of english.:mjswag:

The doctor from the kacaan era will be able to take a medical exam and if he passes will be allowed to practice daktarnimo . I have other relatives who started business there as well.



The UK is a lot better than socialist Europe in employment. Many Somalis are working as I hear, but there's still a lot of unemployment among the youth. The houses though are the size of shoe boxes.:nahgirl:


The real pain lies with the European Somalis, there are very limited low skilled jobs with only a few in elderly care and menial services , otherwise they have to receive gov't benefits. The gov't benefits are almost as good as the low skilled pay which discourages them from carrying out those menial jobs. Many of them are even able to use some of those benefits to buy land back home and invest. :lolbron:


European Somalis are unique because they also consists of newer influx of Somalis from the 2000's as well. So they're more fobby, and still have strong connection to Somalia. Most of the Euro Somalis from before the 2000's left for the UK .




In Criminality:

Canadian Somalis take the cake, :snoop: . We can't even say it's a Toronto problem, it's happening in Edmonton, Calgary and Ottawa but to a lesser degree.:ohlord:


The reason why we have the most, Somalis were put in gov't housing with druggies ,gangs and losers. The schools in those areas aren't goo as well and many parents didn't push their kids academically. The dropout rate is high and many became like the environment they were raised in. The gov't housing in Minnesota isn't half as bad as the one's in Toronto, and the one's in Seattle are quite nice because you choose what neighborhood to live in instead of being forced into one.




In Fashion:

The UK and Europe are better dressed than US & Canada.
The girls and guys in the UK can look very classy and elegant when they're not trying to look like roadmen.

There's something about the North American style, its a " idgaf , just tryna be comfortable" look.
More looser, baggier clothing here, we despise tight pants and shirts on men , it's viewed as homosexual or too cadaan.:ohhhdamn:




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What're some differences you've noticed with Somalis around the world?
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Wtf change the H1 tag to Geeljires when you plan on using negative keywords.
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Geko, I think you either still live in low income housing or you don’t have a circle of positive self conscious Somalis around you.
 

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Good thread OP.

I feel like US Somalis are more politically active even though Canada has a minister and US just has a regional MP. In America, we hear about fighting and all sorts of craziness because the entire Somali community gets involved.

In Canada I feel like Ahmed Hussein is solo. There's no Somali city/provincial politicians in Toronto and Edmonton and that to me is strange.
 
The UK has more "religious people ", but then you a large community of the baloon heads , s , weed heads , drug dealers and fraudsters . People also change quickly and go back and forth from religiosity to roadninimo.My cousin is in the mosque one month and on the road the next one . It is probably why there are large rates of depression : unstable minds .
 
Good thread OP.

I feel like US Somalis are more politically active even though Canada has a minister and US just has a regional MP. In America, we hear about fighting and all sorts of craziness because the entire Somali community gets involved.

In Canada I feel like Ahmed Hussein is solo. There's no Somali city/provincial politicians in Toronto and Edmonton and that to me is strange.


Our imams here encourage us to participate and vote. We've been getting politically active but we don't have a unified vote the same way the Sikhs have. We've had many run but almost all lost. The community nonetheless show support and participate, something which I haven't seen in UK & Europe.

The problem is when a Somali guy runs for any seat, other Somalis will run against him just to copy and get their qabiil to vote. We end up having 3 Somali guys rallying their different qabiils to support him while the main opposition will destroy all 3 of them.
 
Wtf change the H1 tag to Geeljires when you plan on using negative keywords.
:holeup:

Geko, I think you either still live in low income housing or you don’t have a circle of positive self conscious Somalis around you.

haha our public perception is already in the gutter. We might as well introspect and see what's going on with us around the world. Understanding why these things happen is better than another thread on Somalis being black.

I've lived all over, biggest eye opener was Africa where I've known many Dhaqan celis.
 
The UK has more "religious people ", but then you a large community of the baloon heads , s , weed heads , drug dealers and fraudsters . People also change quickly and go back and forth from religiosity to roadninimo.My cousin is in the mosque one month and on the road the next one . It is probably why there are large rates of depression : unstable minds .

In North America, if a guy is about that life than he's fully about it and are usually far away from the deen. It's much harder for them to go back to religiosity.

About going back and quickly changing, I see that with a UK user on here as well. My guess is that the prison is the one that helps to bring them back to deen

That's true, there's a lot of cognitive dissonance a person has to have for them to justify what they're doing.
 

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American Somalis are a better community IMO but that’s because of the American struggle to get far in life culture there. The younger Somalis seem more into their dhaqan but I just don’t get that feeling in the UK where a lot have an inferiority complex. The UK and Europe by extension attracts more benefit scammers who’ll raise raise bad children and America on the other hand is the most capitalist country in the world (and Somalis do well in these type of countries).

I don’t think UK Somalis are more religious either. Salafism is quite big in Muslim ghettos, and it attracts more Somali children who grew up with deadbeat parents.

It extends to Asian Muslims as well tbh, they’re really successful in the US but in the UK, they’re so much more ghetto. Same observations about the younger ones too.
 
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American Somalis are a better community IMO but that’s because of the American struggle to get far in life culture there. The younger Somalis seem more into their dhaqan but I just don’t get that feeling in the UK where a lot have an inferiority complex. The UK and Europe by extension attracts more benefit scammers who’ll raise raise bad children and America on the other hand is the most capitalist country in the world (and Somalis do well in these type of countries).

I don’t think UK Somalis are more religious either. Salafism is quite big in Muslim ghettos, and it attracts more Somali children who grew up with deadbeat parents.

It extends to Asian Muslims as well tbh, they’re really successful in the US but in the UK, they’re so much more ghetto. Same observations about the younger ones too.

UK ones always seem to be disrespected by everyone.:farmajoyaab: Even the recent twitter fights between blacks and Somalis was all based in the UK.
Somalis in N. America don't hate the black label and many embrace it while the ones in the UK despise it extremely.
Where I see the worse of the gender wars online seem to take place with UK folks as well. You're right though American Somalis are doing the best in almost all categories.


Somalis in the UK express their religion more though, there's many young who dress/act islamic and stick with each other. The one's in Canada/US have friends from all over and try to fit in with the larger crowds.

From my perspective, when I met Somalis from the UK in Africa they always seemed more cultured than their American/Canadian counterparts. With the identity thing, we got Somalis in N. America acting very ghetto black and trying to be rappers, the UK ones not as much imo.
I haven't seen as many ghettoized Somali rappers in the UK as there are in Canada/US as well. Even the Somali UK rappers have very PG music videos when compared to Canadian/American.


Yes. Somalis do much better in capitalist countries.
 
Good thread OP. Although, I'm surprised you said Canadians have more of an identity crisis than the Brits. I always perceived Canadians only second to Americans in being firm in their Somali identity. Gang bang/Alchie culture or not, I thought they were proud Somalis. I've never heard of any particularly anti-Somali behaviour coming from Somali Canadians. They also seem to be way more positive and less depressed. They're knee-deep in that LGBT nonsense though.
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In North America, if a guy is about that life than he's fully about it and are usually far away from the deen. It's much harder for them to go back to religiosity.

About going back and quickly changing, I see that with a UK user on here as well. My guess is that the prison is the one that helps to bring them back to deen

That's true, there's a lot of cognitive dissonance a person has to have for them to justify what they're doing.
At least Somalis aren't smoking weed in their Khamees right after Juma like some of the North Africans and Pakistanis in London :mjlol:
 
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Good thread OP. Although, I'm surprised you said Canadians have more of an identity crisis than the Brits. I always perceived Canadians only second to Americans in being firm in their Somali identity. Gang bang/Alchie culture or not, I thought they were proud Somalis. I've never heard of any particularly anti-Somali behaviour coming from Somali Canadians. They also seem to be way more positive and less depressed. They're knee-deep in that LGBT nonsense though.
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Now that I think of it you and @World are right about N. America being firm on Somali identity when compared to UK, but our dhaqan is corrupted with super liberal values that are very alien to our dhaqan especially in Canada. In the UK they just have more conservative values that're more in line with our dhaqan but with more Somali identity issues.:cosbyhmm:

I was looking at it from the dhaqan and deen perspective, here in Canada we have too many liberal feminist SJW's and liberal muslims compared to them but we are mostly all proud somalis. The guys and girls in the UK are always trashing each other online, being insulted by ajanib and some hate being somali there but they still have dhaqan xooga.:wow:
 
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Just say it US Somalis are better so biased
I've tried my best not to be bias in this thread and I'm not American saxib.
I'm Canadian and I've said many negative things about it as well.
I've met many somalis from all over and had close friends and family from all the regions I stated and its just my opinion.:manny:

Give your points if you think anything stated is wrong. We're all trying to learn here:samwelcome:
 
The job market is great in every Western country Somalis live in.

The reason why someone doesn't have a good job is because they didnt work hard and they have bad people/communication skills. Companies are equal opportunity employers and it's their policy to hire more of you. Post secondary practice affirmative action. No excuses.

The system is rigged in your favour.
 

Hybrid

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Great tread. I just haven't heard anyone talking about the lives of Somalis who reside in the Middle East as there are over 1 million Somalis there.
 
I've noticed some differences between the Somalis in North America (Canda & USA) and Europe and the way we live our lives. I will be discussing the ways of life (religion, culture, employment, politics, fashion) and there are some unique things you'll find. I will also separate the UK from Europe as their quite distinct too.


Starting off with religion:

In North America, Somalis are your basic sunni muslim.

There are fewer salafis here when compared to the UK with the most concentration in Minnesota, but generally are in hiding and aren't as controversial and flamboyant as their UK counterparts. Many Somalis here will eat any meat that isn't pork, and aren't as strict on that as their UK counterparts. In general, Somalis are more religious than the average muslims in North America atleast and seem to be even more religious when we live together in large numbers eg. (Toronto, Minnesota). But we're not as religious as the UK folks.



The major difference from Europe is that here in North America especially in Canada we have a large portion of liberal progressive muslim's. Many of these liberal progressive muslims have this stance because of the way society here allows better integration of people here in to larger society especially when compared to Europe.


This has led to muslims who're more politically involved but it has also led to the attempt to fit, morph and distort Islam and its values to fit into western ideals. It's starting to gain ground in the UK, with the likes of Tariq Ramadhan and others but mainly in the paki/arab communities.
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In Europe, Somalis and muslim immigrants seem to be more isolated and excluded from the larger society. They're in their ethnic ghetto's, where unemployment is high. This can be seen especially in parts of Sweden and voluntarily segregated London. This may be the reason why many have taken stronger views on the deen. The Somali's in UK seem to be more cultured and religious, they also have less identity crisis and are more confident in their beliefs. You're allowed to express yourself there more, us American/Canadians can't get away with that without being put on a FBI watchlist.
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In Politics:


In N. America, the Somalis are more politically involved and aware then our UK and European counterparts. My theory is that it has to do with the fact that we're encouraged by societies here to participate and become part of the fabric of the country.
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North America was built by immigrants, and it can feel natural to say you're American/Canadian then to say you're Swedish or Danish where immigrants there aren't integrated. North America is also more used to accepting immigrants and are better at integrating them than Europe. From the very beginning in Europe, the Somali/Muslim is made to feel alien, many of them living in whole regions where they only live. Some of them who've lived their for a decade, can't even speak the language of the country and many are unemployed. The economic model of Europe is an economic disaster but thats for another paragraph.


In employment:


American Somalis in terms of employment and entrepreneurship have the highest rates in the diaspora.

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From the side of my family who live in the states, they seem to have an abundance of jobs. Some of whom have 2 or 3 jobs, heck even my 15 year old cousin is working and a 17 year old cousin has a full driving license and working part time already. It's hard to find a job that young in Canada, and the requirements are too many.

With the goold old american capitalism, the adeer who just landed yesterday will be able to receive a driver's license and a job within a month without a lick of english.:mjswag:

The doctor from the kacaan era will be able to take a medical exam and if he passes will be allowed to practice daktarnimo . I have other relatives who started business there as well.



The UK is a lot better than socialist Europe in employment. Many Somalis are working as I hear, but there's still a lot of unemployment among the youth. The houses though are the size of shoe boxes.:nahgirl:


The real pain lies with the European Somalis, there are very limited low skilled jobs with only a few in elderly care and menial services , otherwise they have to receive gov't benefits. The gov't benefits are almost as good as the low skilled pay which discourages them from carrying out those menial jobs. Many of them are even able to use some of those benefits to buy land back home and invest. :lolbron:


European Somalis are unique because they also consists of newer influx of Somalis from the 2000's as well. So they're more fobby, and still have strong connection to Somalia. Most of the Euro Somalis from before the 2000's left for the UK .




In Criminality:

Canadian Somalis take the cake, :snoop: . We can't even say it's a Toronto problem, it's happening in Edmonton, Calgary and Ottawa but to a lesser degree.:ohlord:


The reason why we have the most, Somalis were put in gov't housing with druggies ,gangs and losers. The schools in those areas aren't goo as well and many parents didn't push their kids academically. The dropout rate is high and many became like the environment they were raised in. The gov't housing in Minnesota isn't half as bad as the one's in Toronto, and the one's in Seattle are quite nice because you choose what neighborhood to live in instead of being forced into one.




In Fashion:

The UK and Europe are better dressed than US & Canada.
The girls and guys in the UK can look very classy and elegant when they're not trying to look like roadmen.

There's something about the North American style, its a " idgaf , just tryna be comfortable" look.
More looser, baggier clothing here, we despise tight pants and shirts on men , it's viewed as homosexual or too cadaan.:ohhhdamn:




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Best Somalis are the ones living in Arab countries and africa they're doing good for themselves and the children aren't too dhaqan celis but they tend to not know somali and speak Arabic in somalia which is pure cringe other than that they're pretty successful
 

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Society and Culture have a big impact on Religion. While there is a high rate of terrorism in Europe than North America, the cause is not that Europe are more religious than North America in feeling fervent with religion enough to go terrorist. Its the blatant high rate unemployment in Europe that is causing this radicals. In north America, both Canada and USA as u said Somalis intergrade and peruse dreams quite well. This makes them not sit idle and cater to the devils work shop. As opposed to Europe where Somalis are hopeless, jobless, and tend to be easily swayed to be fanatics just as they would have been in Somalia.

It all comes down to opportunities. More Education, more jobs, equals to Somalis becoming less fanatic, and more likely to adhere to a stupid concept like "Progressive Muslims". Such a concept is ill advice. Islam is either conservative or nothing.
 
WoW amazing thread
such an excellent analysis OP it's almost like a thesis
I could give you a certificate in Somalinimo :yacadiim:
But you seem highly in favour of Mareekanka
just joking
you get a 'first' in Somalinimo BA with honours
KKKK tho
how was your dhaqan celis and where?
The job market is great in every Western country Somalis live in.

The reason why someone doesn't have a good job is because they didnt work hard and they have bad people/communication skills. Companies are equal opportunity employers and it's their policy to hire more of you. Post secondary practice affirmative action. No excuses.

The system is rigged in your favour.
European Somalis choose to segregate themselves
But some Mothers do enroll into College (at least they used to when Blair's gov used to pay their commute and shaxx for esol courses kkkkk) they could push themselves but their bar is too low
all they want is a level 1/2 certificates to do elderly care jobs and delivery jobs
i think it's because these jobs are quite convenient with their timings and also why would they want to pursue FE college or higher education to get into loads of debt whilst they have kids student debt to take care of
 
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