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It is true. Jabhad is using 'violence' as your means to achieve your political ambitions. Somalis who are older and remember the 'jabhad' days of SSDF-SNM-USC, way arkeen inu taa socon wayay, waana 'qabiilki' oo ay 'somalida' ugu jeceshahay. So they are shocked markay arkan nimankan 'wadaadyasha' oo hada jabhadki ka dhigay diini. It's the same principle, USE VIOLENCE to achieve your goal. It's very unusual to Somali culture, especially when they have seen meel ma gaadho.
My dad said 'tan somalinimada' la rabo oo taangi ethiopia lala galay hamar ayaa dhibaato wayn ka jira, waana 'somalinimadi' iska 'daa mid qabiil ama diini' loooooool. What he means is we can't even establish the 'somali' government that is to stand for Somalinimo, how will you achieve ISLAM which all muslims in the world are broken up into small groups fighting each other. My dad is adamant hadaysan somalinimo isku raci karin somalida, diin iskuma racayan ileen qabiilkooda bay ka jecel yihin, waxay ku laabanayan QABYALADA.
My dad is shocked when he sees people rejecting Somalinimo, because no clans claim ownership over it sxb, it's for anyone who speaks the language and lives in the land, it's our identity as a people inside and outside the country. If we cant agree on this SHARED MATTER, we won't agree on MAJERTEN AND HAWIYE AMA 'SALAFI, ICTISAM, SUFI, IKHWAAN'
My dad said 'tan somalinimada' la rabo oo taangi ethiopia lala galay hamar ayaa dhibaato wayn ka jira, waana 'somalinimadi' iska 'daa mid qabiil ama diini' loooooool. What he means is we can't even establish the 'somali' government that is to stand for Somalinimo, how will you achieve ISLAM which all muslims in the world are broken up into small groups fighting each other. My dad is adamant hadaysan somalinimo isku raci karin somalida, diin iskuma racayan ileen qabiilkooda bay ka jecel yihin, waxay ku laabanayan QABYALADA.
My dad is shocked when he sees people rejecting Somalinimo, because no clans claim ownership over it sxb, it's for anyone who speaks the language and lives in the land, it's our identity as a people inside and outside the country. If we cant agree on this SHARED MATTER, we won't agree on MAJERTEN AND HAWIYE AMA 'SALAFI, ICTISAM, SUFI, IKHWAAN'
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I know for certainity we can't agree on tribe, SOMALISPOT fadhi ku dirir has gone on for years. Hence this will be eliminated from any possible solution to the Somali conflict. It's a waste of time and waste of our generation time when it's our time to lead. The only card I can see people productively working is the 'somali' card and putting it before them and say anything that doesn't support that 'hadaf' of Somalinimo or is dangerous to it will be rejected. We can't agree on religion either, I see the religious section, ma keento 'midnimo' but more MURAN. Maybe illahi uma talo galin bahashu in dawlad laga dhigo. The only thing we can do is 'look at islam' the areas of 'unity' between all the different sides and 'protect that' but anything 'hal dhinac keliya aminsan' needs to be disregarded as it will create tit for tat race.
Your father is wrong and a jahil if he believes somalinimo is more powerful than islamnimo
“Maybe illahay uma talo galin bahashu in dawlad laga dhigo”
The enemies of the most wise plan so too does the most merciful and indeed he is the best of planners
Islam is the only religion that is not changed by human. The pure source the quran and hadiith. The problem from humans who don't apply it not the Islam.
That's what I mean. There is no working model anywhere for 'Islam' beyond the prophet muhammad and the 4 rightly guided khalifa, after that it turned into 'kingdoms' no muslim can deny this. It doesn't work sxb because of the people, it's got nothing to do with the 'deen'. See that how they corrupt and become burcad diimeed like @Cognitivedissonance 'cadifadisa' 'qabyalada' ayuu ku dhex 'qariya' kitaabka, waa dambiga ugu wayn, way more then moryan iyo arimo dhaqanka baxsan. Kan oo kale wa ehlu naar niyahow. Illahi kama xishooda xataa, ma raco 'jama'ah' which is where majority of muslims are xitaa waa KHAWARIJ keligi diinta uu aqrisada sida flat earth society oo keligooda isku aqriya flat earth and reject 'jama'ah of scientists'. I hate them sxb runti, waa khawarij, aar ha imaado meeshay jama'ah jogga, he will be laffed at, lakin umadi ayuu dhex galaya oo ku waalaya diinta uu isaga iskisa isku fasirtay. Remember allah said 'jama'ah' meeshay joggan ayaa la raca, ileen kuwasi been looma sheegayo, waxaa been loo sheegaya kan KALIGI DUULKA ah oo iskisa iyo fasirkisa aminsan ama KOOXDISA sida ictisam iyo alitihaad iyo waxasi WA QURUN. Runta sxb iska jir sxb im warning u
Kuwani oo kale illahi hadaysan ka xishoonaynin, you think they give u about ur qabiil or land? iska tura kuwan waa kuwa ugu 'daran' manta aduunka joggo
@FBIsomalia You know why I am so focused on 'jama'ah' it's the established council of 'religion' ama dadka diinta lagu amiino, ma aha niin siyasi ah oo dano leh, siyasiintu waa 'dano' sxb. Markay diinta iyo dano isku walaaqeen waa aragta khatarta ka imaaday hada. Iyo khatarta ay gelin karto dadka diinta aminsana oo nacayo ileen siyasad qof jecel ma jiro, isaguna waa og yahay, marka shaydhan yar weeye wuxu is lee yahay siyasada ku walaaqa si ay umada is nacan oo qabyaladisa ama danahisa siyasadeed uu gaadho. It's dangerous shit waryaa. It's like insaanity markad jogtid hospitalka, they try to tell you dadka waalan 'waa saxsan tahay' waa shaydhan oo raba inaad dhimato oo ka baxdid 'dadyowga' meeshay ku badan yihin ileen illahi dadyow dhan uma dumiyo hal niin ama hal hisbi oo iskooda uu fasirtay diinta iyo siday uu jecel yihin. Anaa uu dhowa taasa wallahi markan jirana, wallahi waa cabsi keliga isku haraysid.
Because if u have the truth, umadi dhan ayaa ku raci laha oo the council of islam ayaa oglan laha, illahi ayaa ku taageeri laha, lakin markadan run haysan oo wax kale haysatid waxay doonta ha ahaato, wuxu ku dhaamada jambhad ama kox yar sida flat earth society. Illahi ha naga badbaadiyo kuwa rumaysan 'fekerkooda' oo abuudo kadibna ka baxsada UMADA.
Wa shaydhan ana soo arkay qof ima sheegi karo sida shaydhanka weeye oo kaligisa isku aminsan. Shaydhanka umadi dhan maxaa 'halaago' wuxu 'halaaga' shaksiga si ay uu ka baxsadan meeshay shacabka wada joggan. Islamic State in Somalia maba ahaa wax la garan karo, Islam waa ALL MUSLIM, maxaa somalia keliya keenay in la yirahdo WAA ISLAMIC STATE? Wa diinta lagu cayaarayo oo la rabo in la yirahdo diinta meeshan mooye meel kale ma jiro. A true caliphate is sida tan nabiga iyo rashidun caliphate oo all muslim hal meel joggay, kadib lama ogga waxaa dhacay lakin wala huba shaydhan soo gashay oo boqortoyo la wada noqday.
@Cognitivedissonance is JL he is from southern culture, their not as educated about 'historical matters' and copy what is in flavor around the world and try to EXPORT this without understanding the actual history of ISLAM. U want an Islamic state cognissive u need to call all muslims together in a conference not SOMALIS. It is no different to boqortoyadi after rashidun khalifa. The sunni believe there was no islamic state after the 4 rightly guided caliphate. Only you sicko khawarij think their was and u learn your khawarij deen from these countries today. Please keep your crap out of somalia which is khawarij flavoured iskisa isku magacabay diinta islamka with no approval from majority of sunni councils.
Because if u have the truth, umadi dhan ayaa ku raci laha oo the council of islam ayaa oglan laha, illahi ayaa ku taageeri laha, lakin markadan run haysan oo wax kale haysatid waxay doonta ha ahaato, wuxu ku dhaamada jambhad ama kox yar sida flat earth society. Illahi ha naga badbaadiyo kuwa rumaysan 'fekerkooda' oo abuudo kadibna ka baxsada UMADA.
Wa shaydhan ana soo arkay qof ima sheegi karo sida shaydhanka weeye oo kaligisa isku aminsan. Shaydhanka umadi dhan maxaa 'halaago' wuxu 'halaaga' shaksiga si ay uu ka baxsadan meeshay shacabka wada joggan. Islamic State in Somalia maba ahaa wax la garan karo, Islam waa ALL MUSLIM, maxaa somalia keliya keenay in la yirahdo WAA ISLAMIC STATE? Wa diinta lagu cayaarayo oo la rabo in la yirahdo diinta meeshan mooye meel kale ma jiro. A true caliphate is sida tan nabiga iyo rashidun caliphate oo all muslim hal meel joggay, kadib lama ogga waxaa dhacay lakin wala huba shaydhan soo gashay oo boqortoyo la wada noqday.
@Cognitivedissonance is JL he is from southern culture, their not as educated about 'historical matters' and copy what is in flavor around the world and try to EXPORT this without understanding the actual history of ISLAM. U want an Islamic state cognissive u need to call all muslims together in a conference not SOMALIS. It is no different to boqortoyadi after rashidun khalifa. The sunni believe there was no islamic state after the 4 rightly guided caliphate. Only you sicko khawarij think their was and u learn your khawarij deen from these countries today. Please keep your crap out of somalia which is khawarij flavoured iskisa isku magacabay diinta islamka with no approval from majority of sunni councils.
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@FBIsomalia Have u seen when you question @Cognitivedissonance about his khawarij views, he responds like typical 'khawarij' he says 'diinta ayaa caynaysa' lol, he is exclaiming inu illahi yahay xeerkasi ayuu JOGGA. We know Khawarij niyahow it's well known in history and even today they called conspiracy movements like flat earth society. Their very small subset who hold dearly onto a position that majority society rejects, some are violent and use WEAPONS like @Cognitivedissonance. They have been around for long time. No sorry bro your FASIR iyo Iskaga iyo waxad aminsan tahay ma aha inaan illahi caynayo, waxan caynaya maxaa keenay inaadan umada ama meeshay jama'ah joggan ka soo dhadhicin la'dahay your WARPED ISLAMIC STATE VIEWS? Just go convince them the MAJORITY of respected council of sunnah. Don't convince the people on the ground like hebrew israelites do in america, im sick of you guys. at least some of them are peaceful with their delusions.
Yo cognissive never worry about Islam ama 'kuffar' ba tahay oo illahi ma aminsan tihid inu yiri inu diintani 'protect' garanayo since it's HIS words NOT YOURS, noone needs you miyadan garan karin? work on the things you should protect sida dhaqankaga, luqadada, dhulkaga, and stuff within your hands and power. Bastar yahow bastarka dhalay ka bax arimahasi shaydhanka iska naar oo ku been sheegayo. Thats true believer with faith, he knows god promised it, he doesnt need you guns or your politics. He thinks inay jihad jirto oo diinta la badelayo, halkee diin lagu badelay in somalia? khawarij are just basically PSYCHOTIC like us oo 'caadi ku eek'. His not 'caadi' at all cadifadisa ayuu aminay markasna diiday meeshay dadyowga joggan oo wuxu iska racay shaydhanka iyo huuhaagasi beenta ah si uu umada ka soo saaro, illahi ha naga gabto shaydhanka.
Shaydhanka waa 'fekerkaga iyo cadifadada' oo 'amiintay' 'amiinki' illahi ma siin, waxad siisatay fekerkaga oo cadifad noqotay, its dangerous sxb. Learn from Sheikh umal he speaks on these matter inaadan 'amiinin' waxani oo kale oo imaanka alle iska turin. Remember islam is about 'amiinadkaga' inu allah keligisa lee yahay, hadad meel kale siiso amiinkaga waa SHAYDHAN WEEYE. Anigu dhinaca fekerka iyo cadifada waa iga soo gala sometimes lakin wala dagaala inside, lakin waan is gabta marki dambe markan yaabo, i dont go around joining JABHAD GROUPS
Yo cognissive never worry about Islam ama 'kuffar' ba tahay oo illahi ma aminsan tihid inu yiri inu diintani 'protect' garanayo since it's HIS words NOT YOURS, noone needs you miyadan garan karin? work on the things you should protect sida dhaqankaga, luqadada, dhulkaga, and stuff within your hands and power. Bastar yahow bastarka dhalay ka bax arimahasi shaydhanka iska naar oo ku been sheegayo. Thats true believer with faith, he knows god promised it, he doesnt need you guns or your politics. He thinks inay jihad jirto oo diinta la badelayo, halkee diin lagu badelay in somalia? khawarij are just basically PSYCHOTIC like us oo 'caadi ku eek'. His not 'caadi' at all cadifadisa ayuu aminay markasna diiday meeshay dadyowga joggan oo wuxu iska racay shaydhanka iyo huuhaagasi beenta ah si uu umada ka soo saaro, illahi ha naga gabto shaydhanka.
Shaydhanka waa 'fekerkaga iyo cadifadada' oo 'amiintay' 'amiinki' illahi ma siin, waxad siisatay fekerkaga oo cadifad noqotay, its dangerous sxb. Learn from Sheikh umal he speaks on these matter inaadan 'amiinin' waxani oo kale oo imaanka alle iska turin. Remember islam is about 'amiinadkaga' inu allah keligisa lee yahay, hadad meel kale siiso amiinkaga waa SHAYDHAN WEEYE. Anigu dhinaca fekerka iyo cadifada waa iga soo gala sometimes lakin wala dagaala inside, lakin waan is gabta marki dambe markan yaabo, i dont go around joining JABHAD GROUPS
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illahi aa hadayoo abowe.
Yes they don't teach much about 'amiinada' or 'belief' and how important this is in Islam. Sheikh Umal he has some 'deep' topics about Islam, lakin it's more for people who want 'deeper' understanding. It's not for the average joe. But what it means is my brother and it's very serious matter, never put your belief in something other then 'god'. I put my belief in my 'deluded thoughts'. You know when you get a 'thought' in your head about something, that isn't the problem, waa markad si racracdo kadibna amiinto. Bees weeye it's over then. Beliefkaga illahi ma siin, meel kale ku maqan yahay. Wallahi ayaan ku daartay, meel fican mana ku geeyo akhirki, ana og, adaa isku soo noqonaysid ama 'violent' ba samaynaysa sida 'khawarij'
That's why I tell people 'diin' badan iska daaya iyo ka 'fekerkisa' waxay kula tagi karta inaad 'imaankaga' meesha ka baxo. I prefer speaking on 'normal' maadi topics, fekerka ma xumo markasi waa wax la isku imtixami karo aduunka, lakin arinta illahi waa sheeko ka wayn. It's best to leave the experts on this matter to handle.
In short brother. Your thoughts in your head is not 'god' it's you as a human being, it's 'flawed' and it can make 'mistakes' so for you to give such faulty brain your 'belief' 100% can be quite disastrous, since allah said 'He is perfect' isaga keliya si 'amiinkaga'. I can understand this part and fully support it. Your brain and thoughts are 'measurable' it's not perfect at all and it will contain faults and mistakes. It's not reliable to 'trust' in this especially about things that are 'deeni' matters.
It's ok to 'believe' in your thoughts if it's about 'arimo' aduun sida 'maadi' stuff, since this can be tested and measured your thought level or proven and disproven. So Focus your energies in places that are useful.
I am learning 'worshipping' part from Sheikh Umal, I haven't yet understood properly. But just because you don't understand something, it doesn't make it 'faulty' or 'wrong'. You could be 'wrong' especially if the majority 'understand' it and you don't. It's like Physics, just because you don't understand it, it doesn't mean they will 'revise' all physics and debunk it. Religion is very similar in that aspect.
But worshipping aspect from what I am learning is 'xirirka' illahi. Amiinka waa 'ariin kale' which u need as a FIRST STEP. But then you need to 'establish' relationship with god not just 'amiin'. I am only at the stage of 'amiin' hadad run rabtid waxana iga keenay taas waa my 'mental illness' iyo yaabka aan ku soo arkay. Marku bin adanka yaabow he usually turns to god but waxaa laga raba markad caadi tahayna inaad illahi uu jeesato not just when YOU NEED HIM, which is my relationship with allah at this stage. It's not a good relationship but to say 'markan wax uu bahan tahay baan ku salada' taas waa 'usury' waa 'isticmaal' ma aha 'xirir' dhab ah. Marka my worshipping isn't perfect anigu taas waan aqana, but my amiinaaad waa 100%. It's like your parents, there is no point you just talk to them when u need them for something and abadon them when your OK. Illahi ha iga hanuniyo.
I hope to reach a stage I establish full relationship with allah especially when I am normal and happy not just when I am unwell or sick, this is another 'strong' test for me. Illahi ha iga gudbiyo.
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Wallahi i don't understand your train of thought so let me get this straight cause i advocate fir the divine laws to be implemented in somalia which the constitution of somalia clearly states makes me a khawarij
So you are against the shariah law in general you dont want to see somalia being governed by the most wise divine law soma aha?
Bradar by he who holds my soul in his hand i feel like i am speaking to a gaal cadaan Australian ah who is totally oblivious to islam boowehadu illahay ku roon yahay soon iam afraid you might start addressing me as muslamic
Wallahi oo billahi you are aminority in somalia and puntland, you have assimulated into the gaalo system so much so that mow you spew their rhetoric like its gospel. Come to somalia with your gaalo qashin and you will be disposed off swiftly and remorselessly dont bring your western judeo-christian way of life to somalia ma garatey
I bet you also nelieve in darwinism so maaha that you have evolved from an ape kkk
I bet you eat qanziir too nin yaho karti ma lihiid you are wishy washy happy go lucky you are fickle minded you have been programmed by zionist media to hate muslims and islam.
War Somaliyay idinka ayaa 'jama'ah' hada, niinkan iyo aniga na kala gabta. Wixi jama'ah ama majority hukumo anigu waan raci bees keliya baan ku iri. If the majority agree, then I will side with them. This is pure islamic practise. Don't come to me and convince me of your ISLAM inaad iga dhadhicisid keliya baan ku idhi, orodo meesha ku haboon la tag baan ku idhi waana sunnah 'jama'ah' and respected experts of religion who are PEER REVIEWED by their PEERS. Ma aha wax iyaga iskooda uu samaystan like you and then get a gun or spend your hours calling me a kaffir like the khawarij do. Just follow the due process within Islam, like you would with any field of humanity. Is that hard to ask. Just don't ask me to accept your view of Islam is the LAW.
Ha ii fasirin anigu quranka waryaa with your verses, ISKAGA WEEYE WAXASI. Nijaskana yaa naga gabta, quote respected tafsir scholars and then quote respected islamic scholars today oo jama'ah dhan dhegaysato oo ku tusinayo inu saxsan yahay ileen the people ayaa racsan, not you qof kuma rasana markad quranic quote samaysid, your being khawarij sxb is gabo adeer. Ha racin fekerkaga kana har diinta hawl ku yaalo ma aha, khawarijnimada meeshasi weeye. Your not learned in ISLAM and you read the quran and reach drastic decisions on your own and then you leave the majority and hide out in buuraha fuckin galgala. Ceeb soo ma aha waryaa? you flat earther ma dhantiid oo shacbki ka dhex baxay oo scientistka ahaa iyo peer reviewka jamacadaha calamka.
Cog fadlan is gabo sxb quranka alle sidasi haku dheeldheelin, iskaga iyo fekerkaga haku soo darin sxb markad quran verse soo turto, bisinka, adiga og fekerkaga inu qaladad ku jiri kara ba si racracaysa. Acuudi billahi so shaydhan ma aha meeshasi? u see why u end up a minority and usually a violent militant group, god protecting u from umada sxb si aadan iyaga oo dhan uu halaagin.
Just be basic muslim salada tuko, sawm, sadaqo samay. Ka bax arimaha fasiradka quranka waxaa dhici kara inaad illahi kitabkisa bilqaysato oo cadifadada iyo fekerkaga oo shaydhan wato, siiba hadadan hor tagi karin respected scholars of islam oo peer review isku samaya iyo endorsement. Ileen majorityku meeshu joggo ayaa fican sxb ma ficno meel adiga cidlo ku tahay, its shaydhan
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