Daniel Haqiqatjou once again trying to appeal to the far right

[AraragiKoyomi]

What is with the kharijis and the ikhwaanis wanting to appeal to the far right? The far right are bunch of losers, who hates the Muslims. Cause we are the embodiment of what they preaching. Its out of jealousy they hate us. So why are they trying to do a strategic concessions with the far-right who have been entering the masjid and beating up muslim women, destroying muslim businesses, and attacking anyone who doesnt have their shade of skin color?

They seek to misguide the youth. The far right are evil. Why doesnt he ask the far right if they want a strategic concession? Cause they don't.

 

[AraragiKoyomi]

@Omar del Sur this filthy khariji is spreading a very dangerous rhetoric amongst the youth. He is turning the youth away from the scholars and student of knowledge, by calling them Madkhalis, but in the same breath wants to partner up with kuffar who hates muslims no matter what

 

[Omar del Sur]

@Omar del Sur this filthy khariji is spreading a very dangerous rhetoric amongst the youth. He is turning the youth away from the scholars and student of knowledge, by calling them Madkhalis, but in the same breath wants to partner up with kuffar who hates muslims no matter what

I'm not really with any of these people. I'm not with Rabee al Madkhali, SPUBs, Faris, Shamsi, etc. and I'm not with DH or Muhammad Hijab.

 

[AraragiKoyomi]

Even his staunch followers who would defend him have caught up with his lies and evil.

 

[AraragiKoyomi]

I'm not really with any of these people. I'm not with Rabee al Madkhali, SPUBs, Faris, Shamsi, etc. and I'm not with DH or Muhammad Hijab.

I just want your opinion. Not that I was cricizing you or anything.

 

[Yami]

Anyone who wants to make any sort of alliance with the alt right should be automatically considered munafiqs at the very least. I'd borderline takfir them.

 

[Omar del Sur]

I just want your opinion. Not that I was cricizing you or anything.

honestly I want to back out of discussing these important topics. I am definitely not a knowledgeable person. this DH topic is a big fitna. I believe he clearly has issues in minhaj. I think some of what he's said about liberalism and "compassionate imams" is valid. I think some people (not you) use attacking DH as a pretext to promote the "compassionate imams" and Yaqeen Institute.

so if we completely reject 100% everything DH says I think that's wrong; but if we really defend everything he says and take him as though he's a trustworthy scholar... that would be wrong.

I think people should just stick to real scholars. these social media figures.... they make all kinds of errors and we can dissect those errors but we're going in a wrong direction if we're taking our dīn from e-celebs in the first place.

ppl see celebrity social media ppl getting close with Andrew Tate and it's "UK Dawah Crisis" or something.... but so much can be avoided just by sticking to real scholars.

anyways, I want to avoid discussing these big topics because I'm really focused on my studies

 

[Omar del Sur]

also as far as far right thing.... I think DH and Andrew Tate try to mix "traditional Islam" or orthodoxy.... with being some sort of right-winger.... those are way different things... if you really follow an authentic and orthodox understanding of Islam... you will not be some sort of blue haired liberal person but you also will not be a member of the Republican party or far-right party either.... but anyways this is something that can be avoided by simply sticking to scholars and not taking din from social media people.... ultimately there could be a whole series of books on the deviations of these people

 

[Periplus]

So it’s haram to make concessions with the left-wing regarding social issues that don’t affect religious Muslims (LGBT, secularism etc).

But we should make concessions with the far-right that have an existential issue with Islam.

Mind you, Tommy Robinson, the father of these riots, is pro-Israel. He also doesn’t care how many Muslims support him, he hates Islam and it’s existence.

Also, I wonder how stupid Daniel is. Wtf are those “concessions”. Nearly every sane Muslim agrees with most of the “concessions” but they’re still getting attacked anyways.

 

[Periplus]

I have said it since I joined, no modern political position aligns with Islam. Liberalism and Islam doesn’t mix, neither does conservatism.

There is no “Liberal Islam” or “Conservative Islam”, there is just Islam.

It’s up to you on which political positions align with your personal values. But if youre claiming your political position in West is in sync with Islam 100%, then you are delusional.

 

[Riftvalley]

A couple of issues with this:

1. European and USA far right are completely different due to the nature of politics and how free speech is practised in the two continents.

1a. Most studies show Muslims and blacks are overwhelmingly over sentenced, policed and harassed in the UK especially post 9/11. Daniel says Muslims needs to condemn migrants getting lesser sentences without showing any evidence such a phenomena exists. It seems he has adopted some far right talking points wholeheartedly.

2. Someone being pro Palestine should not be the litmus test for an alliance with the Muslim community. There are far right who support Palestine while at the same denying other genocides like China or downplaying the atrocities Russia/Iran commit. Some online anti Zionist far right like Lukas Gage are essentially supporters of Hitler and white power nationalists, thus there is no net benefit to having them supporting Palestine. Not only do they not have any influence outside the web, the Zionists actually benefit from having Nazi sympathisers linked to the Palestinian cause. The Palestine cause is now strong enough amongst Muslims and non Muslim youth in the West and there is no benefit from having an alliance with such characters.

3. As for the anti immigration crowd in the UK and a potential alliance between Muslims in the UK or even Muslims giving them “concessions”, there are some impediments to this:

A. Some anti immigration figures like Jayda(Britain First) Fransen, and more so Nick Griffin, are partly responsible for growing the EDL franchise and model before it became became what is now.They are in some way, shape or form responsible for growing anti Islamic street movement in the UK. The “let’s protest outside mosques model was a method popularised by Britain First, of which Jayda was the deputy leader. So why does Nick griffin have a slightly conciliatory tone towards Muslims in the UK these days? Griffin blames Jews zionists for destroying the BNP by giving mass funding to Tommy Robinson and taking away most of the street support into the hands of the pro Israel EDL-like movements. These guys have now tried to rebrand and gain relevance again by jumping on the bandwagon of Palestine. So what would Muslims gain from making alliances with people with a History of contributing to hatred against their community and who no longer have any reach within white working class communities? It seems like Daniel likes alliances but he’s unable to study the merits of the alliances he proposes.

B. European far right is inherently pro Israel and crusader-like. You will not find many anti immigration groups in Europe who aren’t pro Israel or do not receive large amounts of support from Zionists.

As for people like the young Keith woods of Ireland, who is currently gaining traction in Ireland, despite his anti Zionist stance, he and other like minded folks would support the deportation of all Muslims and non whites if the time was right and if the real far right gained power. The anti immigration crowd in Belfast attacking Muslims business and civilians this week maybe not necessarily be pro Israeli, but they still are carrying out the same violence as the pro Zionist Tommy crowd. Nick Fuentes criticised the riots for “putting young white men in prisons”, so it’s clear he doesn’t really care about the Muslim lives who could have potentially died in those attacks.once you start giving concessions to these people, you are essentially finding justification for violence against Muslims due to “muh too much immigration” card.

IMO anyone individual or group who has not outright condemned the heinous violence committed against Muslims in the last week should not be part of any alliance with the Muslims community. Making concessions, as Daniel puts it, to people who want to find nuance and excuses, for men who tried to burn mosques and hotels housing Muslims, is not alliance building. It is degrading and an act of ritualistic humiliation by the Muslims to far right. This also includes Andrew Tate btw; we will never forget how his dog whistles and rants to the far right “to do something” were a major motivating factor for the attack against the Southport mosque last week. The fact he supports Palestine means absolutely nothing and he needs to make an apology to the Muslim community in the UK for the danger he put them in.

Daniel needs to stay out of UK politics. It’s clear he has no understand of what is going on.

 

[Keep it a boqol]

Always new this dude was strange. He would always simp for Iran and encourage sunnis to unite with them

His claim to fame was calling out western shaykhs to get relevance. Now his content is islamic rage bait and TMZ muslim drama.

He should just stick to debating atheists tbh

 

[AraragiKoyomi]

Always new this dude was strange. He would always simp for Iran and encourage sunnis to unite with them

His claim to fame was calling out western shaykhs to get relevance. Now his content is islamic rage bait and TMZ muslim drama.

He should just stick to debating atheists tbh

Calls for revolution and destabilization of sunni countries. Never speaks bad about Iran. He calls anyone who disagree with him agent.

 

[tyrannicalmanager]

"noOo, iSrAeL hAs brAiNwAsheD tHeM, aKHi!! iF wE mETiOned tHaT tOmMy rObeRtSon iS a ZIoNiSt sHilL tHEy'll sudDenLy sTop hAtInG mUsliM iMMigrAnts aKHi!!"

 

[World]

The far right are arguing saying that most immigrants are arriving to UK shores on boats, and are asylum/refugees fleeing Muslim countries. However they only make up a few thousand of immigrants out of 1.2 million immigration to the UK in 2023.

And muslims are not even 10 % of the immigrants to the UK ironically, it’s mainly Indians/Chinese/Nigerians who made up 40 % of immigrants in 2023.

 

[The Oponian Guild]

I remember when Haqiqatjou was all the rage and he was being interviewed on his upbringing and stuff and how he became a Sunni (he was a Shia), he disavowed the shias and was a firebrand, so much so American Muslim organisations warned about him.

then he did a complete 180 and became an iran shill, many people don’t even know about his background which makes this all the more interesting when taken into account.

 

[The Oponian Guild]

A couple of issues with this:

1. European and USA far right are completely different due to the nature of politics and how free speech is practised in the two continents.

1a. Most studies show Muslims and blacks are overwhelmingly over sentenced, policed and harassed in the UK especially post 9/11. Daniel says Muslims needs to condemn migrants getting lesser sentences without showing any evidence such a phenomena exists. It seems he has adopted some far right talking points wholeheartedly.

2. Someone being pro Palestine should not be the litmus test for an alliance with the Muslim community. There are far right who support Palestine while at the same denying other genocides like China or downplaying the atrocities Russia/Iran commit. Some online anti Zionist far right like Lukas Gage are essentially supporters of Hitler and white power nationalists, thus there is no net benefit to having them supporting Palestine. Not only do they not have any influence outside the web, the Zionists actually benefit from having Nazi sympathisers linked to the Palestinian cause. The Palestine cause is now strong enough amongst Muslims and non Muslim youth in the West and there is no benefit from having an alliance with such characters.

3. As for the anti immigration crowd in the UK and a potential alliance between Muslims in the UK or even Muslims giving them “concessions”, there are some impediments to this:

A. Some anti immigration figures like Jayda(Britain First) Fransen, and more so Nick Griffin, are partly responsible for growing the EDL franchise and model before it became became what is now.They are in some way, shape or form responsible for growing anti Islamic street movement in the UK. The “let’s protest outside mosques model was a method popularised by Britain First, of which Jayda was the deputy leader. So why does Nick griffin have a slightly conciliatory tone towards Muslims in the UK these days? Griffin blames Jews zionists for destroying the BNP by giving mass funding to Tommy Robinson and taking away most of the street support into the hands of the pro Israel EDL-like movements. These guys have now tried to rebrand and gain relevance again by jumping on the bandwagon of Palestine. So what would Muslims gain from making alliances with people with a History of contributing to hatred against their community and who no longer have any reach within white working class communities? It seems like Daniel likes alliances but he’s unable to study the merits of the alliances he proposes.

B. European far right is inherently pro Israel and crusader-like. You will not find many anti immigration groups in Europe who aren’t pro Israel or do not receive large amounts of support from Zionists.

As for people like the young Keith woods of Ireland, who is currently gaining traction in Ireland, despite his anti Zionist stance, he and other like minded folks would support the deportation of all Muslims and non whites if the time was right and if the real far right gained power. The anti immigration crowd in Belfast attacking Muslims business and civilians this week maybe not necessarily be pro Israeli, but they still are carrying out the same violence as the pro Zionist Tommy crowd. Nick Fuentes criticised the riots for “putting young white men in prisons”, so it’s clear he doesn’t really care about the Muslim lives who could have potentially died in those attacks.once you start giving concessions to these people, you are essentially finding justification for violence against Muslims due to “muh too much immigration” card.

IMO anyone individual or group who has not outright condemned the heinous violence committed against Muslims in the last week should not be part of any alliance with the Muslims community. Making concessions, as Daniel puts it, to people who want to find nuance and excuses, for men who tried to burn mosques and hotels housing Muslims, is not alliance building. It is degrading and an act of ritualistic humiliation by the Muslims to far right. This also includes Andrew Tate btw; we will never forget how his dog whistles and rants to the far right “to do something” were a major motivating factor for the attack against the Southport mosque last week. The fact he supports Palestine means absolutely nothing and he needs to make an apology to the Muslim community in the UK for the danger he put them in.

Daniel needs to stay out of UK politics. It’s clear he has no understand of what is going on.

Slightly unrelated but here’s my ten pence on what I think may have caused this.

I do not think the coalescing of Muslim voting power and the election of Muslim mps whose sole mandate is to stop the genocide might’ve been the wisest move, as noble and brotherly as it may have been. It’s played directly into the hands of the far right and Zionist agitators. Theres been a visceral and massive backlash against the Muslims, it’s led to race riots and much carnage and destruction. The Southport murder only served to awaken the long apparent yet dormant hatred against Muslims, with the fake news agenda etc. But this was a long time coming.

I’m personally at a crossroads in regards to this.

there should’ve been better optics and the Muslim independent mps who were elected should’ve campaigned on some local issues too (not taking away from the importance of Gaza) but it would’ve helped with the optics.

 

[The alchemist]

DH is misguided here. I think this is more of him basing his logic on wrong assumptions and taking them to their logical conclusions. But the information he has is wrong, so his conclusions are.

 

[Riftvalley]

 

[NidarNidar]

His an agent of the Israeli intel agencies.