Khaem
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Yes Inshallah the young will not continue the cycle of useless clan warfare
Dadka u liito aduunka
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Absolutely, it could get worse, thatβs always possible.
The Germans share the same origins as Scandinavia and Anglo saxons, the English are of Germanic origin??
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38 | Hyderabad, India
Genetically and language wise yes.
It's the culture and history of the Germans that make them different. They weren't as influenced by the renaissance as England, France and Italy neither were they effected much from the Russian Empire.
They had their own German Renaissance that was different from the others both in origin and focus.
And it's that very difference in thinking which other western and eastern Europeans had a hard time understanding that caused people like Hitler to rise with the support of the majority of the people.
It's much longer and I'm leaving out many details like the Junker Nobility, Political structure and internal differences like Berlin from Bavaria and Prussia but I'm trying to give a mediocre summary.
I could do better but I'm lazy and I don't like writing more than a few sentences unless I'm writing a book that is.
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Force has its place but really in my opinion what we need is to remove this illness of my clan vs X clan and think of the collective good.
Dictatorship or force only makes Somalis more rebellious.
Islam is the only thing that Somalis will willingly submit to. Islamic values has to penetrate the heart of Somalis and not just be on their tongues. We need a state that unites the people with Islam and reinforces the correct values of Islam to the populace.
No more ya taqaan ama ninkaas waa reer hebel waaye.
Aisha said, "A woman from Bani Makhzumiya committed a theft and the people said, 'Who can intercede with the Prophet (ο·Ί) for her?' So nobody dared speak to him (i.e. the Prophet) but Usama bin Zaid spoke to him. The Prophet (ο·Ί) said, 'If a reputable man amongst the children of Bani Israel committed a theft, they used to forgive him, but if a poor man committed a theft, they would cut his hand. But I would cut even the hand of Fatima (i.e. the daughter of the Prophet) if she committed a theft."
Wallahi this sense of justice is missing completely from the lands of the Muslims.
Somali society is decaying more and more everyday whilst we have stored the much needed medicine away in the shed. Allah has given us the solutions but we just chase after other ways of life and rulings...secularism, clan xeer laws, indian or italian whatever penal code, communism etc.
What we need is not just a wadani ruler but also a just islamically rooted leader who understands that leadership is a trust that he will be questioned about on the day of judgement.
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@Angelina
If anyone has every bothered to watch the Nuremburg trials; the trials of former Nazi high-ranking officials after the war you'll notice they all had high IQ the highest being around 140 if I remember correctly and none of them showed any sign of insanity accordingto the Psychologist that tested them.
Alfred Speer, Minister of Armaments and War production during the 3rd Reich, made a final statement on the trial which caught my attention when I was listening to all 21 defendants. Somewhere in his speech he said that he would do it all over again.
He got sentenced to some years in prison and lived until the 1980s
If anyone has every bothered to watch the Nuremburg trials; the trials of former Nazi high-ranking officials after the war you'll notice they all had high IQ the highest being around 140 if I remember correctly and none of them showed any sign of insanity accordingto the Psychologist that tested them.
Alfred Speer, Minister of Armaments and War production during the 3rd Reich, made a final statement on the trial which caught my attention when I was listening to all 21 defendants. Somewhere in his speech he said that he would do it all over again.
He got sentenced to some years in prison and lived until the 1980s
i feel like the main reason we are tribalist is because the tribe almost fills the position of the government. I know of a person that received 70k in donations from their clan (like sub-sub-sub clan) to help with medical costs. Mind you the donors don't know the person, they just know they share the same sub-clan. Until there comes a government that does the same thing, Somalia will always be tribalist .
The vid is in German, are there no english subs? I used to also think Hitler was an absolute nut job but one day I came across one of his speeches and was like wow this guy is a uber nationalist who actually wanted the best for his people.
But despite the issues with Israel regarding Palestine, what the Nazis did to the Jews was beyond humane and also their whole eugenics ideas around the pure aryan race.
This is the vid I'm talking about
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Waryaada I rarely post long messages like this but ya'll got me working today.
At genesis the person who seeks to change a nation must begin with gathering followers and isolating them from outside influence so they become fully immersed in your ideology. Once this has been properly established with a limited amount of members it's time for ideological expansion. Starting with public rallies and using modern technology this could be done relatively a lot quicker than past times. As the numbers swell you must keep in mind that internal politics is more important than external.
The members who have shown signs of leadership and are outstanding in their work are promoted but human greed has no limits so they'll eventually resent you if they take their power for granted. Know when to eliminate a man who was once to your benefit but now has become a burden.
Some techniques include finding what makes them tick. If they are fond of wealth gift them money, mansions and whatnot. Similarly if they are fond of women you could find them a beautiful maiden and introduce him to her.
This internal politics require more intellect than actual military power. But never underestimate the force needed in internal politics, always have the power to remove them when necessary.
As for the external politics, although same rules as the internal one apply, focus on the military's might. Whether other organization's threaten your very existence or you seek expansion you will always need force. Let's use Somalia as an example.
If @Idrus was to become the President of Somalia with me and you (@Mustaqbal) as senior officials, I would advice on starting a propaganda campaign about the need for a new constitution. The trick here is to never let the public know we are behind this so we'd need to find a face for the campaign who would also be our scapegoat in case things go south.
Once we have achieved our new Islamic based constitution we'd progress onto building a military. Due to the arms embargo we'd need to find out a way to get around it. One of my suggestions is to form a temporary underworld mafia organization which is under our control but instead of having it in the open we'd let NISA found it with one of their undercover agents as it's head. Through the Somali Mafia we could import all the necessary weapons without needing to worry about breaking international law.
Slowly but steadily gaining complete control over Benadir we can progress onto starting our new campaign of complete control of Somalia. This would begin with capturing important trade routes and re-establishing our control over foreign politics. That would include strengthening our ties with China and allying with them to severe the SL-Taiwan relations and their other foreign relations. Once Mogadishu has been recognized as the true center of power Somaliland will be seen as nothing more than a region of Somalia.
Fixing our ties with them and other regions will be out of outmost importance but to parade the military throughout all regional capitals will be necessary before we abolish federalism altogether.
My analysis on the tribal warfare is that the entire Qabiil as a form of governance is a secondary system to that of the official government. This would also include Al-Shabaab. See it as 3 forms of governance: each with it' s own leader, within one country.
So the FGS, Al-Shabaab and all the smaller clan leaders who have rather small power over even smaller domains all co-exist in this chaotic environment.
To begin let's re-use the former example of Somalia:
Once we had achieved complete dominance over the FGS we would face the problem of inter-qabiil warfare and the threats of Al-Shabaab. I will explain how we could deal with them.
Under a central government, to establish real power over the country we would need to exterminate the other forms of governance.
This begins with the easier of the two: Qabiil.
Figure 1.1: Map of all Somali clans
All the Somali qabiils are divided in very small groups that have at most complete power over a few towns each. In total they control most of the countryside which equates to majority of the country. The process of eradication begins with the realization that qabill can not and will not be eradicated. The reason behind that is in the very core of Qabiil; it is based around families. So instead of eradicating we must weaken the qabiils.
This could begin with establishing a new ministry that is independent of minisitry of internal affairs: The Ministry of Social Affairs (MoSA). The essential purpose of MoSA is to control the populace from creating social warfare such as qabiil wars, gender wars, and stopping other ideologies that may threat the regime such as LGBTQ+, radical feminism etc.. In this ministry, unlike the others, the majority of the workers would be Sociologists, Psychologists and other professionals of the social sciences.
The Ministry's first duty is to keep civil order on an abstract aspect while the Ministry of Internal Affairs (MoIA) would be to keep civil order on a physical aspect. I would also suggest creating an office for settling land ownership between these qabiils so there won't be any more anaga iskaleh. If any qabiils tries to steal land after the settlements, their sultan will be taken to supreme court if he doesn't hand over the instigators.
To begin the weakening the qabiils, since we are already familiar with their structure, it is important to understand why people have this level of loyalty towards their respective qabiil's. Although I'm not a sociologist and can't access any data as to why this is the case I will use the most common case that has happened to the Viet Congs, Talibans and other entities. Usually the case is that the respective populace has needs that the entity they support can provide. Identifying these needs would be MoSA's duty while the Ministry of Economy will be responsible for providing solutions for this.
Once the qabiils have lost their economic power, we have to weaken their cultural significance. This again is outside my field of knowledge but a suggestion would be to create a sense of more loyalty towards the regime through social media campaigns, movies and schools. With time the regime will be mightier than Qabiil.
Now with control over most of Somalia physically, ideologically and politically Al-Shabaab could be eradicated within weeks considering the fact that throughout this whole process of weakening qabiils our new ideas has spread within Al-Shabaab and many people disillusioned with their ideology have weakend them significantly.
With a just leader and the MoSA I believe this could actually be achieved within a few decades; a complete change in our way of living.
Anyway I don't like writing long posts so you better send me some shaah for this yariisow
@DR OSMAN @bidenkulaha @TekNiKo and rest of reer politics what's your opinion on all this?
Part I: The need of Military Force
At genesis the person who seeks to change a nation must begin with gathering followers and isolating them from outside influence so they become fully immersed in your ideology. Once this has been properly established with a limited amount of members it's time for ideological expansion. Starting with public rallies and using modern technology this could be done relatively a lot quicker than past times. As the numbers swell you must keep in mind that internal politics is more important than external.
The members who have shown signs of leadership and are outstanding in their work are promoted but human greed has no limits so they'll eventually resent you if they take their power for granted. Know when to eliminate a man who was once to your benefit but now has become a burden.
Some techniques include finding what makes them tick. If they are fond of wealth gift them money, mansions and whatnot. Similarly if they are fond of women you could find them a beautiful maiden and introduce him to her.
This internal politics require more intellect than actual military power. But never underestimate the force needed in internal politics, always have the power to remove them when necessary.
As for the external politics, although same rules as the internal one apply, focus on the military's might. Whether other organization's threaten your very existence or you seek expansion you will always need force. Let's use Somalia as an example.
If @Idrus was to become the President of Somalia with me and you (@Mustaqbal) as senior officials, I would advice on starting a propaganda campaign about the need for a new constitution. The trick here is to never let the public know we are behind this so we'd need to find a face for the campaign who would also be our scapegoat in case things go south.
Once we have achieved our new Islamic based constitution we'd progress onto building a military. Due to the arms embargo we'd need to find out a way to get around it. One of my suggestions is to form a temporary underworld mafia organization which is under our control but instead of having it in the open we'd let NISA found it with one of their undercover agents as it's head. Through the Somali Mafia we could import all the necessary weapons without needing to worry about breaking international law.
Slowly but steadily gaining complete control over Benadir we can progress onto starting our new campaign of complete control of Somalia. This would begin with capturing important trade routes and re-establishing our control over foreign politics. That would include strengthening our ties with China and allying with them to severe the SL-Taiwan relations and their other foreign relations. Once Mogadishu has been recognized as the true center of power Somaliland will be seen as nothing more than a region of Somalia.
Fixing our ties with them and other regions will be out of outmost importance but to parade the military throughout all regional capitals will be necessary before we abolish federalism altogether.
Part II: The Qabiil Paradox
My analysis on the tribal warfare is that the entire Qabiil as a form of governance is a secondary system to that of the official government. This would also include Al-Shabaab. See it as 3 forms of governance: each with it' s own leader, within one country.
So the FGS, Al-Shabaab and all the smaller clan leaders who have rather small power over even smaller domains all co-exist in this chaotic environment.
To begin let's re-use the former example of Somalia:
Once we had achieved complete dominance over the FGS we would face the problem of inter-qabiil warfare and the threats of Al-Shabaab. I will explain how we could deal with them.
Under a central government, to establish real power over the country we would need to exterminate the other forms of governance.
This begins with the easier of the two: Qabiil.
Figure 1.1: Map of all Somali clans
All the Somali qabiils are divided in very small groups that have at most complete power over a few towns each. In total they control most of the countryside which equates to majority of the country. The process of eradication begins with the realization that qabill can not and will not be eradicated. The reason behind that is in the very core of Qabiil; it is based around families. So instead of eradicating we must weaken the qabiils.
This could begin with establishing a new ministry that is independent of minisitry of internal affairs: The Ministry of Social Affairs (MoSA). The essential purpose of MoSA is to control the populace from creating social warfare such as qabiil wars, gender wars, and stopping other ideologies that may threat the regime such as LGBTQ+, radical feminism etc.. In this ministry, unlike the others, the majority of the workers would be Sociologists, Psychologists and other professionals of the social sciences.
The Ministry's first duty is to keep civil order on an abstract aspect while the Ministry of Internal Affairs (MoIA) would be to keep civil order on a physical aspect. I would also suggest creating an office for settling land ownership between these qabiils so there won't be any more anaga iskaleh. If any qabiils tries to steal land after the settlements, their sultan will be taken to supreme court if he doesn't hand over the instigators.
To begin the weakening the qabiils, since we are already familiar with their structure, it is important to understand why people have this level of loyalty towards their respective qabiil's. Although I'm not a sociologist and can't access any data as to why this is the case I will use the most common case that has happened to the Viet Congs, Talibans and other entities. Usually the case is that the respective populace has needs that the entity they support can provide. Identifying these needs would be MoSA's duty while the Ministry of Economy will be responsible for providing solutions for this.
Once the qabiils have lost their economic power, we have to weaken their cultural significance. This again is outside my field of knowledge but a suggestion would be to create a sense of more loyalty towards the regime through social media campaigns, movies and schools. With time the regime will be mightier than Qabiil.
Now with control over most of Somalia physically, ideologically and politically Al-Shabaab could be eradicated within weeks considering the fact that throughout this whole process of weakening qabiils our new ideas has spread within Al-Shabaab and many people disillusioned with their ideology have weakend them significantly.
With a just leader and the MoSA I believe this could actually be achieved within a few decades; a complete change in our way of living.
Anyway I don't like writing long posts so you better send me some shaah for this yariisow
@DR OSMAN @bidenkulaha @TekNiKo and rest of reer politics what's your opinion on all this?
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Forgot you don't speak German. You could turn on the youtube subtitles although they aren't 100% spot on.
I suggest you read the same book I told Idrus to read you'll understand that Hitler was an insecure nacas with a bad childhood. The man hated Czechs although maternally his grandparents name suggest he might have had Czech blood in him.
I recommend you read the rise and fall of the third reich
In the german video I sent you Alfred Speer was saying he would do it all over again.
One of the witnesses who testified during the trial was working at the Auschwitz camp (one of the extermination camps) said (rough translation btw):
"My job was to collect the shoes and clothes of all the people who were going inside Auschwitz. We knew that all their belongings were to be sold. I had left my Mother to the care of my wife and newborn. Every day I would watch as train-full of people would go in and never come out. One day that was like any other the train had arrived and I looked at all the people, in the crowd I saw my wife carrying our child and my mother. They couldn't see or hear me. I was worried something might happen to them.
As I was going through all the clothing I found a coat that remarkably resembled the one my wife used to wear. As I checked the pockets I found a picture of my wife and our baby..."
Everyone can hate Hitler all they want but nobody can't deny 3 things: they had swag, amazing technology and their FΓΌhrer was a master of speech.
As for the speech itself it's absolutely full of shit. If you know the history you'd know It was a part of the original policy of the National Socialist German Worker's Party. Although later in the 1940s Hitler scoffed at these pre-FΓΌhrer speeches as he saw them as him begging the workers. As a matter of fact his Minister of Armaments and War Production, Alfred Speer used forced labor during the early days of the war and gave the workers terrible treatment which show you how much all of that in his speech really meant to him: nothing but a tool.
If you read the book I recommend above you'll know that Hitler is actually a manipulator and very insecure. He only have people he can use around him, if they have no value they go away. A man who sees the people closest to him in such a way wouldn't care much about workers and would rather use those flashy lines to get support so he can fulfill his true goal which we saw in WW2.
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Khaem
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I see this as a great start.Waryaada I rarely post long messages like this but ya'll got me working today.
Part I: The need of Military Force
At genesis the person who seeks to change a nation must begin with gathering followers and isolating them from outside influence so they become fully immersed in your ideology. Once this has been properly established with a limited amount of members it's time for ideological expansion. Starting with public rallies and using modern technology this could be done relatively a lot quicker than past times. As the numbers swell you must keep in mind that internal politics is more important than external.
The members who have shown signs of leadership and are outstanding in their work are promoted but human greed has no limits so they'll eventually resent you if they take their power for granted. Know when to eliminate a man who was once to your benefit but now has become a burden.
Some techniques include finding what makes them tick. If they are fond of wealth gift them money, mansions and whatnot. Similarly if they are fond of women you could find them a beautiful maiden and introduce him to her.
This internal politics require more intellect than actual military power. But never underestimate the force needed in internal politics, always have the power to remove them when necessary.
As for the external politics, although same rules as the internal one apply, focus on the military's might. Whether other organization's threaten your very existence or you seek expansion you will always need force. Let's use Somalia as an example.
If @Idrus was to become the President of Somalia with me and you (@Mustaqbal) as senior officials, I would advice on starting a propaganda campaign about the need for a new constitution. The trick here is to never let the public know we are behind this so we'd need to find a face for the campaign who would also be our scapegoat in case things go south.
Once we have achieved our new Islamic based constitution we'd progress onto building a military. Due to the arms embargo we'd need to find out a way to get around it. One of my suggestions is to form a temporary underworld mafia organization which is under our control but instead of having it in the open we'd let NISA found it with one of their undercover agents as it's head. Through the Somali Mafia we could import all the necessary weapons without needing to worry about breaking international law.
Slowly but steadily gaining complete control over Benadir we can progress onto starting our new campaign of complete control of Somalia. This would begin with capturing important trade routes and re-establishing our control over foreign politics. That would include strengthening our ties with China and allying with them to severe the SL-Taiwan relations and their other foreign relations. Once Mogadishu has been recognized as the true center of power Somaliland will be seen as nothing more than a region of Somalia.
Fixing our ties with them and other regions will be out of outmost importance but to parade the military throughout all regional capitals will be necessary before we abolish federalism altogether.
Part II: The Qabiil Paradox
My analysis on the tribal warfare is that the entire Qabiil as a form of governance is a secondary system to that of the official government. This would also include Al-Shabaab. See it as 3 forms of governance: each with it' s own leader, within one country.
So the FGS, Al-Shabaab and all the smaller clan leaders who have rather small power over even smaller domains all co-exist in this chaotic environment.
To begin let's re-use the former example of Somalia:
Once we had achieved complete dominance over the FGS we would face the problem of inter-qabiil warfare and the threats of Al-Shabaab. I will explain how we could deal with them.
Under a central government, to establish real power over the country we would need to exterminate the other forms of governance.
This begins with the easier of the two: Qabiil.
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Figure 1.1: Map of all Somali clans
All the Somali qabiils are divided in very small groups that have at most complete power over a few towns each. In total they control most of the countryside which equates to majority of the country. The process of eradication begins with the realization that qabill can not and will not be eradicated. The reason behind that is in the very core of Qabiil; it is based around families. So instead of eradicating we must weaken the qabiils.
This could begin with establishing a new ministry that is independent of minisitry of internal affairs: The Ministry of Social Affairs (MoSA). The essential purpose of MoSA is to control the populace from creating social warfare such as qabiil wars, gender wars, and stopping other ideologies that may threat the regime such as LGBTQ+, radical feminism etc.. In this ministry, unlike the others, the majority of the workers would be Sociologists, Psychologists and other professionals of the social sciences.
The Ministry's first duty is to keep civil order on an abstract aspect while the Ministry of Internal Affairs (MoIA) would be to keep civil order on a physical aspect. I would also suggest creating an office for settling land ownership between these qabiils so there won't be any more anaga iskaleh. If any qabiils tries to steal land after the settlements, their sultan will be taken to supreme court if he doesn't hand over the instigators.
To begin the weakening the qabiils, since we are already familiar with their structure, it is important to understand why people have this level of loyalty towards their respective qabiil's. Although I'm not a sociologist and can't access any data as to why this is the case I will use the most common case that has happened to the Viet Congs, Talibans and other entities. Usually the case is that the respective populace has needs that the entity they support can provide. Identifying these needs would be MoSA's duty while the Ministry of Economy will be responsible for providing solutions for this.
Once the qabiils have lost their economic power, we have to weaken their cultural significance. This again is outside my field of knowledge but a suggestion would be to create a sense of more loyalty towards the regime through social media campaigns, movies and schools. With time the regime will be mightier than Qabiil.
Now with control over most of Somalia physically, ideologically and politically Al-Shabaab could be eradicated within weeks considering the fact that throughout this whole process of weakening qabiils our new ideas has spread within Al-Shabaab and many people disillusioned with their ideology have weakend them significantly.
With a just leader and the MoSA I believe this could actually be achieved within a few decades; a complete change in our way of living.
Anyway I don't like writing long posts so you better send me some shaah for this yariisow
@DR OSMAN @bidenkulaha @TekNiKo and rest of reer politics what's your opinion on all this?
The main reason people are so loyal to clan is because it is the only form of governance. If they have grievances such as stolen land, dead/hurt ect. They can always rely on the clan to back it. The government is weak they will not help the citizen in any way, it's as if it doesn't even exist.
If you give people a proper and even better form of governance that gives them security, they will shift their loyalty to the nation very quickly.
Somalis aren't this abnormal freedom anarchy loving people. The Somali obeys and submit to whatever the qabill needs because that is what gives him protection, security and rights.
If the government does those things for the Somali he will submit to the authority of Mogadishu.
The centralisation of Somalia is crucial. Federalism kills. Look at Ethiopia since they adopted ethnic federalism, genocides and land grabs ever other week.
We must weaken the clan system and eventually phase it out. Many warrior clan based societies for thousands of years like Japan, Korea, China & the Arab Gulf states like Saudi had heavy clan societies but they were slowly phased out in favour of centralised governance.
The key to success in the modern world is to industrialise and you cannot do that without centralisation.
Every industrialised nation went through a period of centralisation before they industrialised to become a power. America with the civil war. Japan during meji restoration. China with the ccp victory in '49. German wars of unification. Ect. You get the point.
Somalia must go through its own unification war. To end the old system of clans and decentralised governance and put all Somalis under one constitution and leadership. Only then do we have a right to be called a proper sovereign nation that can have respect.
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blood leads to more blood and iron leads to stalemates a unique unaffiliated 3rd party (not clan not wahabi) is the only hope the more no nonsence they are the better
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