Key word is “Benevolent Autocracy” don’t calcaal and bring up predecessors and shift the goal post.
Do you think it could?
Do you think it could?
Could a Benevolent Autocracy save Somalia?
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Is Somali a system problem or a cultural problem? I don't hold the idea that some top down Messiah can fix the nation, alot Somalis do tho. I think Somali as a culture is a very counterproductive one and they never seem to get along with any leader or any system so that's why I thinks it's a cultural problem needing a cultural revolution.
Yh I agree with you on that. I do think that the entire foundation needs to broken down and rebuilt again and the good features kept but I do agree that a lot of our problems come from the cultural DNA that needs to be mutated for the better.
But do you think such a leader regardless of how compassionate he is and how much of a monopoly he holds over the country could enforce such a monumental change if so how?
I sympathise sometimes with corrupt leaders. They come to Somalia all hopeful they will be the change and then local reality slaps them in the face(the cultural cancer) of lining up votes, backpockets, assigning positions to incapable people due to cultural cancer pressures, filling the public service with family, friends, or clan and then it just cycles for years and decades in instability, fragility and sadly nothing accomplished.
If I was a leader there u will eventually say f*ck it, Dadkan bisayl ma.aha, let me look after my own interest and family.
If I was a leader there u will eventually say f*ck it, Dadkan bisayl ma.aha, let me look after my own interest and family.
But even with something as rotten as that could be fixed. So how?
Firstly the population or civilians need to organise themselves, coordinate together to keep the social ills to a minimum or under control. They must inform their people, to drop unrealistic expectations of going from.zero to hero over nite and development is a long, sturdy process it's not magic and it doesn't happen in a day.
The leaders need to have institutions watching them and prosecuting them for breaches of their office or constifution or their mandate and they need to be held to account for it. Election process needs an overhaul where personal interests of candidates are weeded out and strictly banned, vetted by character(these ppl tend to come from diaspora who failed there and will pass on their failure to Somalia)
What Somalis need is men of impeccable public image and an anti-corruption background, people like Abdirahman Beyle, but alas, Somalis like living in a cesspool of corruption.
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What about adeerism? Is there a place for that?
What do you mean by that?
I'm just sick of tired of Somalis voting due to qabil instead of the most qualified man for the job, it's like shooting yourself in the foot, the sooner 1m1v occurs in the south, the better.
No, autocracy will always lead to destruction and bad rule.
People overrating Somalias problems all we need is to beat AS and a proper constitution for federalism and leaders who will follow it.
Thats 90% of problems solved
Thats 90% of problems solved
Is not a dichotomy. Both are equally true. Infact they inform each other better culture leads to a better systems and better systems leads to a better culture.
All we need is to accomplish what no Somali has since the fall of state. Have a state!!!
Easier said than done. You didn’t actually suggest any answers. I can say world peace is easy, all we need to do is end wars and violence and make it sound like two small tasks too.
I’ve always said that colonization damaged Somalia’s path to true nationhood rather than clans. Unlike European countries, we were never given the time or space to develop a unified national identity. Before the colonial era, Somalia was fragmented by clans, like many pre-modern societies. But had history unfolded without interference, it's possible that a strong, visionary leader could have emerged—someone capable of rising above clan divisions and uniting the Somali people under one flag and one identity, much like Bismarck did in Germany or Garibaldi in Italy
Those European nations were also once divided—into kingdoms, duchies, and city-states, but they went through decades, even centuries, of internal wars and political struggles that ultimately gave birth to strong nationalistic movements. That process was painful but necessary for forging modern states. In contrast, Somalia was colonized just as it was beginning to form its own political destiny. Instead of navigating our own internal conflicts and developing organic leadership, we were divided between British, French and Italian rule, each side managing our affairs based on their interests, not ours.
This foreign domination stunted our political evolution. We never had the opportunity to go through the natural growing pains that form a resilient nation. No Somali-led wars of unification. No time to discover what it meant to be Somali beyond clan loyalty. Colonization essentially froze us in place, covering our internal cracks with a superficial layer of order.
It’s like placing a strap around a cracked water tank, it might prevent the leak for a while, but it doesn’t fix the underlying problem. The pressure keeps building until it eventually explodes. That’s what happened after independence: all the unresolved divisions resurfaced with even greater force, because we never had the chance to resolve them on our own terms
Those European nations were also once divided—into kingdoms, duchies, and city-states, but they went through decades, even centuries, of internal wars and political struggles that ultimately gave birth to strong nationalistic movements. That process was painful but necessary for forging modern states. In contrast, Somalia was colonized just as it was beginning to form its own political destiny. Instead of navigating our own internal conflicts and developing organic leadership, we were divided between British, French and Italian rule, each side managing our affairs based on their interests, not ours.
This foreign domination stunted our political evolution. We never had the opportunity to go through the natural growing pains that form a resilient nation. No Somali-led wars of unification. No time to discover what it meant to be Somali beyond clan loyalty. Colonization essentially froze us in place, covering our internal cracks with a superficial layer of order.
It’s like placing a strap around a cracked water tank, it might prevent the leak for a while, but it doesn’t fix the underlying problem. The pressure keeps building until it eventually explodes. That’s what happened after independence: all the unresolved divisions resurfaced with even greater force, because we never had the chance to resolve them on our own terms
both but mostly cultural the culture is shit and i wont have anyone really debate it
I love this dude I hope he joins the emerging somali movement that says we r not going into never ending blame games of Colonials did this or this leader n clan did that or Ethiopia or Africa sixirnimo or arab shekhnomics . Colonials had a right to pursue their African interests as they were maturing their nationhood and its sphere of influence.
Why blame them? Wa rag tashday, it's us who failed to do any accountability on what's wrong with us which let's cut to the chase is as u said an unworkable culture that hates any leader who emerges, won't work with them, infact might even be destructive force. It can be down to personal interest u didn't give me this post or contract.
It can be down to u will use power to harm me or my interests or clan well being. It can be opportunistic even if u are good they may stir up false propaganda to instigate conflict or suspicion for their financial or xasid agenda.
It's a range of trust issues let's be real rather then just going thru every four years blaming another leader or previous one and into this infinity of hell. As for Somali identity this was a geopolitical wind happening globally at the time and they were playing catch up with the world order of the time. Their was no real state in Somalia post Adal sultanate(even then that was more a NATO arrangement) against the Turks and Portuguese war. This nation syate idea is only like 250 years old identity system, it's very new and old values and identities do not get replaced as u mentioned without going thru a painful process and that's if the identity emerging isn't killed in the process for the old identity(conservatism, traditionalism) vs national identity(liberal idea).
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Somalia is unique it has been impacted by African sixir culture(f*ck this visible world we r cultures of non visible abstract) it's a mindset they want to know deeper levels of any topics(gabays), indian who brought the cut corners and cheat and be lazy business mindset which Somalia still follow, colonial westerners(much later one was about mafianimo vs dictator type with french and english were about let's just set up rules and f*ck human toxicity), the arabs and their islamic influence as some say is now shekhnomics(turning Islam into a idealogical weapon for khaleeji benefit thru oil funds of course). U will see when a Somali hears a Hindi their face just shows this absolute century old disdain
Somalis somewhat already did develop a national identity, even before Somalia came to existence. SYL was by far the most popular political party among Somalis, dwarfing any qabil based ones, the desire to see a united Somalia was already there among Somalis in the early-mid 20th century. The actual thing colonialism did was prevent it from actually happening. People also underestimate how closely connected Somalis were prior to colonialism. Yes, Somalis weren't politically united but clan territories across the Horn were heavily interconnected economically culturally and familially. Somalis from various clans established trade routes and caravans that linked coastal towns with interior ones which provided the life blood for those coastal areas. Somalis from one clan area would move into other clan territories to seek Islamic education. Pre-modern Somalia wasn't isolated or fragmented in the traditional sense.
Check out this thread which goes way more into detail about how Somalia's geography impacted Somali identity, culture and interconnectivity.
Also food for thought, pre-modern Somalia may have been one of, if not, the most peaceful region in Africa. There were pretty much no major inter Somali wars, no evidence of any mass organised warfare between Somali city states, sultanates or clan polities. Only minor conflicts and skirmishes over resources between pastorialists.
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