Clannism Is OK And Healthy Counter To Somalinimo

[DR OSMAN]

Unfortunately due to Somalinimo legacy it attempts to shame or erase or secretly hide clans promoting their own survival and interest. Somalis mistake this to mean that we want to harm or erase them, no thats how you interpret it, but deep down in Puntland, they don't care for other clans and only want their region to be the best in Somalia and the world, if you want to be the worst clan or region, u can go ahead and be the worst but don't spread that to Puntland ma ceeb ba?

Puntland clannism is in-ward unity not external focused, we don't suffer an inferiority complex to care what other clans do as long as they don't effect Puntland. Puntland is a true landheer who focuses in-ward only, they don't care for external untill it effects them only whether politically or security.

The only time Puntland will hate or fight you is if u start to effect them either thru politics or security. If u do your own thing and leave Puntland to be, their is no issue. Only clans looking outwards for no reason show inferiority complex. Me and some other Puntites hand is forced to focus on other regions becuz their clannism is on 'xumanta' dadkayga iyo isir neceb, those region clannism isnt about the love of their ppl.

 

[DR OSMAN]

Productive clannism = inward unity, love of thy ppl and hate of none(if not provoked)
Destructive clannism - an inferiority complex or clan nakedness and uniting on an external clan hatred becuz rajo beeleed ma jiro so they create unity thru other clan hatred.

Clannism like Federalism isn't the same and has various models

 

[DR OSMAN]

Darods have shown post 91 not to instigate or launch any offensive on any irir clan and every conflict if studied will show an irir offensive first and darod defensive posture. This is clearly landheer symptom and they don't want to unite themselves on the hatred of any external irir clan. Their clannism is all in-wards, love of thy ppl, hate of none if not provoked by naked clans who's unity is hatred of others and explains why they are creating the conflict.

 

[hinters]

The Japanese and the Irish are perfect example of how to get rid of clan influence while still keeping your cultural heritage.

It's just Somalis are idiots, which is why I lost hope a while back.

 

[DR OSMAN]

The Japanese and the Irish are perfect example of how to get rid of clan influence while still keeping your cultural heritage.

It's just Somalis are idiots, which is why I lost hope a while back.

U don't need to wipe out things becuz u don't like it especially if it's impossible. U re-organize it for different purpose. Productive clannism should be encouraged to foster love of thy ppl and in-ward unity and hate of none, destructive clannism should only be erased and exposed.

I and many puntites don't want to share a govt with Somali cause I feel their booli qarans and hiding under the qaran card cause their langaabs, we feel they are going to harm our potential, we feel their dead weight and the cause of the problem. Thru separation of govt, we can see who are the true landheer and where the cancer is.

 

[Testo 21]

Hawiye and Darood need to go separate ways. Its like marriage that just don't work.

 

[GemState]

Clannism is repulsive, but due to our pastoral heritage, it is something ingrained. We have a very zero sum way of thinking.

I personally am not a nationalist but Somalinimo is clearly more progressive even if the people promoting it tend to be hypocritical. The cognitive dissonance comes when people living in a Urban post Malthusian society (Somali Diaspora) try to rationalize what happens in a rural 4th world Malthusian hellhole. We know it's bullshit but we still think like this.

I like to think of myself as fairly progressive but even I do too tbh, I can't see a way out. It is what it is

 

[SamaaleCushite]

inevitably clan will die or we will die

 

[DR OSMAN]

inevitably clan will die or we will die

For clan to be eliminated won't happen overnight and 4 metrics must be reached and a timeline of centuries and even then it's up 4 question as it's still present/active in Saudi Arabia.

1. High education rates
2. Financial independence
3. Political settlement and competence, Rule of Law, meritocracy, good governance
4. Cultural revolution to eliminate cultural decay(isolating n socially perscuting thugs, corrupt, criminals within each clans universally)

Till that's achieved your an idiot praying 4 rain in all Somalia, while practical person in PL is digging a water well and focusing on themselves not going to die with all Somalia becuz of cancerous somalinimo bullshit f*ck THAT, your trying to achieve ur vision due to 'foreign cuqdad' not the cultural dimension and reality on-land. A minority or few men 'will n desire' won't over-ride the cultural reality on-ground and only keeps us in a failed state.

Till then your wasting your time and the locals, stop exporting what u want, deal with what they want an onground social conditions and that's CLANNISM.

 

[SamaaleCushite]

For clan to be eliminated won't happen overnight and 4 metrics must be reached and a timeline of centuries and even then it's up 4 question as it's still present/active in Saudi Arabia.

1. High education rates
2. Financial independence
3. Political settlement and competence, Rule of Law, meritocracy, good governance
4. Cultural revolution to eliminate cultural decay(isolating n socially perscuting thugs, corrupt, criminals within each clans universally)

Till that's achieved your an idiot praying 4 rain in all Somalia, while practical person in PL is digging a water well and focusing on themselves not going to die with all Somalia becuz of cancerous somalinimo bullshit f*ck THAT, your trying to achieve ur vision due to 'foreign cuqdad' not the cultural dimension and reality on-land. A minority or few men 'will n desire' won't over-ride the cultural reality on-ground and only keeps us in a failed state.

Till then your wasting your time and the locals, stop exporting what u want, deal with what they want an onground social conditions and that's CLANNISM.

caacda nagadaa. All those steps require more than a century as you said, so we dont have much time..... We need a more immediate solution which only comes with a noble militry commander guiding a council of patriotic individuals or the alternative of a group of intellectuals forming a zionist like secret society to slowly place important men in key posts across somalia to then safely overthrow the clan orders with the backing of a large conscript army from marginalized clans and patriotic men and women from major clans.

Option 2 is safer option 1 has chance of going barre route or we can do even better option 3 : a clan conquers the other clans