BREAKING NEWS Civil war in Ethiopia(Amhara imperialism vs Ethnic diversity)

@Gadhwayne dont know much about ciise subclans.But What Indont understand is if Djibouti had always had good relations with Ethiopia even the time of Mengistu why are they marginalised and lumped as Somalis?

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Im not sure but I suspect that the Ciise subclans who fight/fought Cafar/Afweyne are/were different subclan from the ruling subclan

@angelplan @amboli anyone who knows the major interCiise subclan loyalties whats the political dynamic between Cawl vs larger Mamaasan vs others subclans


why Sitti is experiencing ethnic cleansing by Afara over the road linking Djibouti and Addis Ababa.
Why are they tryijg to move the ciise from the roads? It doesnt make sense because Ciise control Djibouti so how are they such a threat to Ethiopia national interest for ciise in Sitti, when they cise(Djibouti) supply all goods to Addis from needles to heavy machinery?

I dont think Djibouti does enough for Ciisa in Sitti but they also wont advertise it

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Elites in Djibout might be sacrificing Ciisa's interests in Sitti for Djibouti interests
 
Amhara abaal maleh.
They instigated uprising against the monatch that saw the fall and dethroning of Haile Selasie.

Then they shed crocodile tears for Haile selasie and want him back.
So take their calacal with a pinch of salt.
Abye has empowered Amhara at the expense of Oromos.Amharabare ungrateful egocentric & greedy people.

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TPLF purged Axmaara from ENDF hoggaan in 90s then Abiy purged Tigrayans from leadership. What are the current demographics of generals in the ENDF
 
@Abba Sadacha if you say Gojjam are oromos.
Then I am starting to beleive Amhara population are inflated and are arpund 15 million rather than 30 million they claim.
Because if Argoba,Welkiat,Qimat,Agew are cushitic minorities lumped as Amhara.

What about Wollo Oromos,Rayya Oromos,Shewa Oromos and possibly Wollega Oromos?
These figures would have major impact on amhara population.

@Gadhwayne dont know much about ciise subclans.But What Indont understand is if Djibouti had always had good relations with Ethiopia even the time of Mengistu why are they marginalised and lumped as Somalis?
I would expect them to get preferential treatment from all the regimes that ruled Ethiopia.Inwould expect them to enjoy better positions and there regions developed by Ethiopian regime.
I cant beleive how and why Sitti is experiencing ethnic cleansing by Afara over the road linking Djibouti and Addis Ababa.
Why are they tryijg to move the ciise from the roads? It doesnt make sense because Ciise control Djibouti so how are they such a threat to Ethiopia national interest for ciise in Sitti, when they cise(Djibouti) supply all goods to Addis from needles to heavy machinery?


Many of those in Gojjam are of Oromo origin, however, I am not sure how many of them, since the population has grown a lot since the days of menelik, and even prior to that.
The pure Amhara are a minority-they themselves know this.
Anyways. What's important is, that they appear to be losing to the tigrayan's, which is why they feel anger at abiy for not sending more people, resources, arms, to the frontlines.
but abiy is working on that, he is forcefully recruiting oromo youth in jimma, arsi, and elsewhere.
 

Sheikh Kulkuli

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Many of those in Gojjam are of Oromo origin, however, I am not sure how many of them, since the population has grown a lot since the days of menelik, and even prior to that.
The pure Amhara are a minority-they themselves know this.
Anyways. What's important is, that they appear to be losing to the tigrayan's, which is why they feel anger at abiy for not sending more people, resources, arms, to the frontlines.
but abiy is working on that, he is forcefully recruiting oromo youth in jimma, arsi, and elsewhere.
Why dont they themselves show enthusiasm like they showed before during invasion if Tigray? We had seen columns of amhara peasants matching to the front lines with their weapons and their civilians on the streets were bidding them fair well and victory.
 
@Sheikh Kulkuli the Ferenji Catholic Church does not like Abiy and Pentayism rule and the conduct of Tigray War

http://communications.amecea.org/in...t-tigray-conflict-saddens-bishops-conference/

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abiy is working on that, he is forcefully recruiting oromo youth in jimma, arsi, and elsewhere.

How can Abiy and Caruusa trust each other when Caruusa are famously the most anti AddisAbaba Oromo tribe and Abiy locked up Jawar? Would Abiy really trust them enough to conscript/pay, train them and trust they wont join a rebel group
 
@Sheikh Kulkuli the Ferenji Catholic Church does not like Abiy and Pentayism rule and the conduct of Tigray War

http://communications.amecea.org/in...t-tigray-conflict-saddens-bishops-conference/

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How can Abiy and Caruusa trust each other when Caruusa are famously the most anti AddisAbaba Oromo tribe and Abiy locked up Jawar? Would Abiy really trust them enough to conscript/pay, train them and trust they wont join a rebel group

He is so desperate, that, he'd send dogs and cats to go fight, if he could, at this point.
Those forced to fight, will either fight badly and be injured/captured/killed, or surrender, and get sent back home somehow.
one mistake tplf/tdf recently made tho, is angering afars, when they used heavy artillery weapons indiscriminately, which killed many afar civilians. so now they are mobilizing against tdf.
 

Sheikh Kulkuli

Staff Member
He is so desperate, that, he'd send dogs and cats to go fight, if he could, at this point.
Those forced to fight, will either fight badly and be injured/captured/killed, or surrender, and get sent back home somehow.
one mistake tplf/tdf recently made tho, is angering afars, when they used heavy artillery weapons indiscriminately, which killed many afar civilians. so now they are mobilizing against tdf.
Warya afar are double agents.

Afar support TDF and pretend to oppose them.
Its Afars that helped ENDF to be wiped out in Afar.

Abye deserves this.He refused to release oromo political prisoners and has imprisoned and jailed oromos.

Next time oromos shoyld never trust someone whose mom is amhara and was raised by them.
 
Warya afar are double agents.

Afar support TDF and pretend to oppose them.
Its Afars that helped ENDF to be wiped out in Afar.

Abye deserves this.He refused to release oromo political prisoners and has imprisoned and jailed oromos.

Next time oromos shoyld never trust someone whose mom is amhara and was raised by them.



They are angry at tdf bro. The tdf shelled their areas, killing women and kids, so now afar are angry. their president put out a call for former soldiers, and 50,000 answered so far.
 
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Im not sure who will win but this is his explannation of recent TPLF victories:


the Prosperity Party’s force became really weak. This is for several reasons. The Northern Command was the strongest force in Ethiopia. Possibly, 75-85% of Ethiopia’s military equipment was stationed here. Most of the strength and centralization were also within the Northern Command. The materials that were not destroyed by UAE drones during the first operation were looted by Shabia leaving Ethiopia with little to no role to play. Later on, the small military groups and officers that were believed to have the capacity to lead were lost, many passed away, after being spared at the fight on the Raya front.

The loss that occurred there was heavy and after that, they detained 15-17 thousand Tigrayan officers as one of their political moves. These three things added up and really weakened the Ethiopian army

Im not sure if he tells the truth but that sounds realistic and it probably means Abiy cannot put down large scale insurgencies. General Tsadqan also strongly emphasizes the role of Shacbiya/Afewoqi but he is probably exaggerating at the point of saying ENDF are being commanded by Eritreans
 

convincation

Ciyaal mahaday
@Abba Sadacha if you say Gojjam are oromos.
Then I am starting to beleive Amhara population are inflated and are arpund 15 million rather than 30 million they claim.
Because if Argoba,Welkiat,Qimat,Agew are cushitic minorities lumped as Amhara.

What about Wollo Oromos,Rayya Oromos,Shewa Oromos and possibly Wollega Oromos?
These figures would have major impact on amhara population.
Amara population is definitely inflated in Ethiopia as is the amara orthodox number. So inflated in fact that the modern amara ethnic group is pretty much a confederation.
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A common misconception people make is that the population of the amara region is a good reflection of the population of the amara ethnic group which is false.

The amara region is one of Ethiopias most diverse regions;

Agew awi zone and oromia zone are both almost completely non amara and alone make up 10% of the amara regions population.

North and south wollo have a high population of wollo oromos who have been amharaised and now speak amharic, and to make the blatant absorption of the people believable they now call these amarigna speaking oromos the “bete amara”. The word wollo itself has no meaning in amarigna and is originally the name of an oromo tribe, that should tell you who’s the majority. Other than the amarigna speaking oromo, many argobba have also been assimilated into the wollo amara especially in dessie, Wollos largest town.

In the wag hemara zone there are rayya amara (and raya azebo) who are obviously assimilated oromos since rayya is an oromo clan name like wollo is.

In north shewa, the shawan amara that live there (menz and mijar ) have absorbed a large chunk of tulama oromos from back when tulama dominated shawa. There are also non assimilated tulama That live there as well as some karrayu oromo.

Gojjame has a lot of oromo aswell but these ones are macca not tulama and I don’t know much about them.

On the case of gondere, being an important city to orthodoxes a lot of tegaru moved into the city and the region as a whole. Over time these tegaru were assimilated and became amarigna speakers and then part of the amara ethnic group.

And finally, the clear elephant in the room is the bete israel. They’re counted as amara to boost numbers but these people have never in their history considered themselves amhara and are genetically slightly different. Tegaru share more with amara genetically than bete israel who are originally agews who adopted Judaism (or W Judaism like religion). Bete israel still speak their native agaw dialect alongside the language of their occupiers.

There’s also the mysterious weyto group to take into consideration. Some say they were omotic some Cushitic but what we know is that their Living descendants have no assimilated into the great amara nation, specifically the gojjame.

Modern amara are a confederacy, the amara kings of gondere and shawa dealt more casualties to eachother than even the oromo expansion did. What baffles me is how they’re not blood related yet relatively United
 

Sheikh Kulkuli

Staff Member
@convincation
As for Gonder.I dont think Tigarus moved to it but rather.Gonder was part of Axum aka greater Tigray.They probably lost when Yodit destroyed Axum empire in the 10 th century.Probably they then tigarus absorbed other communities and created a gybrid called amhara.
 
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