Besides Zeila, where else did Afar live in the past of what is modern day Somalia?

[Marquis]

Do Afar claim any other city in Somalia beside Zeila? Where else did they live?

@James Dahl @Factz @Grant

 

[Factz]

Afars did live in Zeila when it was the capital of Adal Sultanate and was a metropolis city at that time but historically it was always inhabited and dominated by ethnic Somalis. Afars have no historical claim to Somali territories.

Here is a 13th century historian called Ibn Sa'id that stated Zeila was predominantly Somali.

In fact, Somalis have more claim to Awash river than Afar do. It's believed in the medieval times that Dir used to dominate and inhabit the Awash river which is why the river was named after them.

"According to Huntingford, in the 16th century the Awash river was called the great Dir river and lay in the country of the Muslims."

Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awash_River

 

[Grant]

Adal, an Emirate, was originally part of Ifat, which was more northerly and included many of the Afars. Adal as a separate entity begins in 1403 and ends in 1577 when Adal is split into governments at Harar and Aussa. Harar becomes culturally Harari and Aussa becmes entirely Afar. Beginning in 1630 Zeila became a dependency of Yemeni Mocha and succeeded in "fending off incursions by both the disunited nomads of the interior, who had penetrated the area, as well as brigands in the Gulf of Aden." The Afar retreat north after the Adal wars.

The Afar People, also known as Adal

https://kwekudee-tripdownmemorylane.blogspot.com/2013/04/the-afar-people-also-known-as-adal.html

https://www.britannica.com/place/Ifat

https://www.triposo.com/loc/Zeila/history/background

 

[Factz]

Adal, an Emirate, was originally part of Ifat, which was more northerly and included many of the Afars. Adal as a separate entity begins in 1403 and ends in 1577 when Adal is split into governments at Harar and Aussa. Harar becomes culturally Harari and Aussa becmes entirely Afar. Beginning in 1630 Zeila became a dependency of Yemeni Mocha and succeeded in "fending off incursions by both the disunited nomads of the interior, who had penetrated the area, as well as brigands in the Gulf of Aden." The Afar retreat north after the Adal wars.

The Afar People, also known as Adal

https://kwekudee-tripdownmemorylane.blogspot.com/2013/04/the-afar-people-also-known-as-adal.html

https://www.britannica.com/place/Ifat

https://www.triposo.com/loc/Zeila/history/background

I've never once seen you speak positively about Somalis. Always discrediting the Somali history and nice blogs but they aren't authentic sir, anyone can make them.

1. Ifat Sultanate was a Somali Sultanate while Afar had their own Sultanate known as Dawe Sultanate.

Source: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Q0pZPp032c0C&pg=PA43&dq=Ifat+Sultanate+was+a+Somali+Muslim+Sultanate&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwilsrTC8bDcAhVQZlAKHZrABV4Q6AEILDAB#v=onepage&q=Ifat Sultanate was a Somali Muslim Sultanate&f=false

Here for more maps. As you can see Afars (Denkali) were located at the northern Awash river and the red sea. While Ifat Sultanate and Abyssinia were bordering each other from the south.

Here are medieval ethnic map for more details during the Adal period which are exactly the same.

These maps are sourced from "Ethiopia: The Land, Its People, History and Culture" by the historian called Yohannes K. Mekonnen.

2. Adal Sultanate wasn't only broke down to Harar and Aussa but also multiple Somali tribal states. I love how you are always intellectually dishonest when it comes to Somali history.

Don't forget Somalis composed the majority, ruled and dominated the Adal Sultanate. Afars and Harari were simply Somali subjects.

3. Zeila may have depended on Yeman but it was ruled by the local Somali tribes that succeeded from Adal Sultanate.

Sir, just give up. You don't know anything about the Somali history and you never will. I will always hunt you down and debunk you whenever you spread bullshit on the history section.

 

[Grant]

I've never once seen you speak positively about Somalis. Always discrediting the Somali history and nice blogs but they aren't authentic sir, anyone can make them.

1. Ifat Sultanate was a Somali Sultanate while Afar had their own Sultanate known as Dawe Sultanate.

Source: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Q0pZPp032c0C&pg=PA43&dq=Ifat+Sultanate+was+a+Somali+Muslim+Sultanate&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwilsrTC8bDcAhVQZlAKHZrABV4Q6AEILDAB#v=onepage&q=Ifat Sultanate was a Somali Muslim Sultanate&f=false

Here for more maps. As you can see Afars (Denkali) were located at the northern Awash river and the red sea. While Ifat Sultanate and Abyssinia were bordering each other from the south.

Here are medieval ethnic map for more details during the Adal period which are exactly the same.

These maps are sourced from "Ethiopia: The Land, Its People, History and Culture" by the historian called Yohannes K. Mekonnen.

2. Adal Sultanate wasn't only broke down to Harar and Aussa but also multiple Somali tribal states. I love how you are always intellectually dishonest when it comes to Somali history.

Don't forget Somalis composed the majority, ruled and dominated the Adal Sultanate. Afars and Harari were simply Somali subjects.

3. Zeila may have depended on Yeman but it was ruled by the local Somali tribes that succeeded from Adal Sultanate.

Sir, just give up. You don't know anything about the Somali history and you never will. I will always hunt you down and debunk you whenever you spread bullshit on the history section.

Your understanding of history is meager, and that of Somalia is distorted. The administration of the Adal Sultanate moved from Harar to Aussa in 1577, where it was soon dominated by the Afars. Aussa was still independent in 1880, when Sudan/Egypt ruled Berbera. You will do much better occasionally reading my links instead of just churning your own. Of course the clans ruled themselves. But, after Gurey, they would not unite until the Dervishes. Perhaps there is a lesson there.

https://muse.jhu.edu/article/399117/pdf

https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs...pt_and_neighbors_1880_map_de.png&action=click

 

[Factz]

Your understanding of history is meager, and that of Somalia is distorted. The administration of the Adal Sultanate moved from Harar to Aussa in 1577, where it was soon dominated by the Afars. Aussa was still independent in 1880, when Sudan/Egypt ruled Berbera. You will do much better occasionally reading my links instead of just churning your own. Of course the clans ruled themselves. But, after Gurey, they would not unite until the Dervishes. Perhaps there is a lesson there.

https://muse.jhu.edu/article/399117/pdf

https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=Map+the+Aussa+Sultanate&fr=yhs-iba-1&hspart=iba&hsimp=yhs-1&imgurl=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/EthiopiaRAND1908.jpg/251px-EthiopiaRAND1908.jpg#id=1&iurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/Egypt_and_neighbors_1880_map_de.png&action=click

My understating of history is nowhere near meager, I've given you authentic sources why I am right. You're describing yourself sir. Your links are mostly blogs so I cannot take them serious while my sources are books backed up by historians with PHD. That's the difference between us.

The map you posted is bullshit. Egypt claimed Berbera for four years but didn't rule it. It was locally governed by Habar Awal Sultanate. The Nuux Ismail clan were the real owners of Berbera. Here: https://reerahmednuux.wordpress.com/2015/08/21/piece-of-berbera-history-reer-ahmed-nuh-ismail/

In fact, it was only nominal with the Ottoman Empire. Sharmake and his descendants exercised real authority in Zeila, Berbera to even Afar coastal territories.

Just like I told you with Benadir coast that Omani was the only nominal but was locally governed by Somali kingdoms that succeeded Ajuran Empire such as Hiraab Imamate and Geledi Sultanate.

Nominal definition: (of a role or status) existing in name only. Meaning they claimed a certain territory but they do not rule it.

These are the evidence above why Somalis were also independent.

Source: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=X1dDDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA62&dq=Hiraab+Imamate&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjgs4rTkObcAhXIN8AKHTA_AfgQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=Hiraab Imamate&f=false

Lastly, just because the capitals move doesn't mean different groups start dominating the leadership of Adal Sultanate. The Walashma Dynasty stayed the same which was a Somali dynasty and when Walashma fell so did Adal Sultanate. Do not twist the Somali history.

 

[Grant]

My understating of history is nowhere near meager, I've given you authentic sources why I am right. You're describing yourself sir. Your links are mostly blogs so I cannot take them serious while my sources are books backed up by historians with PHD. That's the difference between us.

The map you posted is bullshit. Egypt claimed Berbera for four years but didn't rule it. It was locally governed by Habar Awal Sultanate. The Nuux Ismail clan were the real owners of Berbera. Here: https://reerahmednuux.wordpress.com/2015/08/21/piece-of-berbera-history-reer-ahmed-nuh-ismail/

In fact, it was only nominal with the Ottoman Empire. Sharmake and his descendants exercised real authority in Zeila, Berbera to even Afar coastal territories.

Just like I told you with Benadir coast that Omani was the only nominal but was locally governed by Somali kingdoms that succeeded Ajuran Empire such as Hiraab Imamate and Geledi Sultanate.

Nominal definition: (of a role or status) existing in name only. Meaning they claimed a certain territory but they do not rule it.

These are the evidence above why Somalis were also independent.

Source: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=X1dDDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA62&dq=Hiraab+Imamate&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjgs4rTkObcAhXIN8AKHTA_AfgQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=Hiraab Imamate&f=false

Lastly, just because the capitals move doesn't mean different groups start dominating the leadership of Adal Sultanate. The Walashma Dynasty stayed the same which was a Somali dynasty and when Walashma fell so did Adal Sultanate. Do not twist the Somali history.

We have been through all of this.

 

[Factz]

We have been through all of this.

Yes, which I have corrected you on but most of this hasn't been talked about so nice little dodge there.