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| Georgia (allied with Azerbaijan) | ||
| Turkey (enemy) | Armenia | Azerbaijan (enemy) |
| Iran (friendly) |
Armenia is one of the most geopolitically disadvantaged countries in the world
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Yeah they are screwed, they do however have a powerful lobby in the US and influence on many US politicians. They really messed up in the 90's by perpetrating horrible atrocities against Azeris and taking their land. They burned people, raped women, destroy houses etc. They thought they would get away with it but now Azerbaijan is more strategically important to the West now.
This conflict will only go 1 way.
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Armenia's population decreased while Azerbaijan's population increased greatly. Armenia had 1/2 of Azerbaijan's population in 1990, currently, it's less than a 1/3. Most likely less than a 1/4 by the end of this decade
Add in the fact that Azerbaijan is backed by Turkey while Armenia has no real ally, on top of the fact Azerbaijan is far wealthier than Armenia in resources and has 3x the GDP.
The 2020 war was over from the start
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Armenia's population decreased while Azerbaijan's population increased greatly. Armenia had 1/2 of Azerbaijan's population in 1990, currently, it's less than a 1/3. Most likely less than a 1/4 by the end of this decade
Add in the fact that Azerbaijan is backed by Turkey while Armenia has no real ally, on top of the fact Azerbaijan is far wealthier than Armenia in resources and has 3x the GDP.
The 2020 war was over from the start
Around 1914, there were 15.0 million Muslims in the Ottoman Empire, as well as 1.7 million Greeks and 1.1 million Armenians. However, the Muslims included many Arabs; subtracting the Arab regions gives us a Turkish population of 12.7 million.
This compared to a population of 5.3 million in Greece (1910), which may have grown to 5.5 million by 1914. There were 1.2 million Armenians in the Russian Empire (1897).
So here are the approximate numbers as of 1914:
Turks: 12.7 million
Greeks: 7.2 million
Armenians: 2.8 million
Ratio: 12.7 million Turks to 10.0 million Greeks/Armenians (1:1.3)
Consequently, it’s not an exaggeration to talk of loose demographic parity between Turks and Greeks/Armenians, even without adjusting for perhaps 10% of Muslim “Turks” being Kurds. It was very possible for the Turks themselves to have been bottled up in the Anatolian heartlands in WW1.
Approximate numbers for 2017:
Turks: 80.8 million
Greeks: 10.7 million
Armenians: 3.0 million
Ratio: 80.8 million Turks to 13.7 million Greeks/Armenians (1:5.9)
Turkey has more than quintupled its population since the 1920s. In the meantime, Armenians had barely recovered from their genocide before getting hit by the demographic whammy that was the Soviet collapse. Although the Pontic genocide didn’t help, Greece did manage to eke out some meager growth – almost doubling its population – but has since gone into sharp reverse.
Consequently, during the course of a single century, the Greeks/Armenians went from demographic parity with the Turks to having six times fewer people.
This compared to a population of 5.3 million in Greece (1910), which may have grown to 5.5 million by 1914. There were 1.2 million Armenians in the Russian Empire (1897).
So here are the approximate numbers as of 1914:
Turks: 12.7 million
Greeks: 7.2 million
Armenians: 2.8 million
Ratio: 12.7 million Turks to 10.0 million Greeks/Armenians (1:1.3)
Consequently, it’s not an exaggeration to talk of loose demographic parity between Turks and Greeks/Armenians, even without adjusting for perhaps 10% of Muslim “Turks” being Kurds. It was very possible for the Turks themselves to have been bottled up in the Anatolian heartlands in WW1.
Approximate numbers for 2017:
Turks: 80.8 million
Greeks: 10.7 million
Armenians: 3.0 million
Ratio: 80.8 million Turks to 13.7 million Greeks/Armenians (1:5.9)
Turkey has more than quintupled its population since the 1920s. In the meantime, Armenians had barely recovered from their genocide before getting hit by the demographic whammy that was the Soviet collapse. Although the Pontic genocide didn’t help, Greece did manage to eke out some meager growth – almost doubling its population – but has since gone into sharp reverse.
Consequently, during the course of a single century, the Greeks/Armenians went from demographic parity with the Turks to having six times fewer people.
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They have the Kardashians
SPMLegend
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Azerbaijan has the oil, Army & Turkish drones advantage so the US will continue looking the other way. The Ukraine war really screwed up Armenia big time. Most of the western media was focused on Russia giving Azerbaijan the free reign to commit military crimes in captured areas. I don’t blame them since Armenia also committed war crimes against the Azerbaijani people themselves 
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What has caused the decline, is it exodus I can understand in the Armenian case they were genocided but what about the Greece is it European small family tradition?
Yea, that + the Pontic genocide after WW1
