Are Somalis Conservative Or Liberal?

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DR OSMAN

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Are Somalis conservative or liberals? I know we mostly vote for liberals because their multicultural and pro refugee rights, but what about the actual social structure of conservativism and it's values that basically promotes to rely on yourself and navigate the class system of becoming poor-less poor-middle-wealthy-wealthier-1%.

Where-as socialism teaches to rely on the group-think, I AM REER SHAQAALE(UNION MEMBERS) give me a raise because I am apart of this group. Somalis rely on this failed principle also in modern somalia where we rely on the success of our clans to make us look better, no individualism, no possible class system can developed as we all rejoice over the success of on our clans-men and not trying to replicate that for ourselves.

Ancient Somalia and pre-colonial Somalia was very capitalist and conservative structure with a slight socialist policy around 'charity or welfare' for certain people in the society due to religious obligation, but it's capitalism all the way. Nomads are not equal in camel counts, none share their wealth around unless there is some religious charity they must do or welfare contribution.

They judged individuals on their 'zinjiyad' or tribe and then their class within that tribe 'soldier, business-man, poet, wakiil(politics), isimo, religious elders and list goes on' all the differernt classes within a clan were all ranked higher then each other none of this were all fuckin equal shit. So not only did pre-colonial Somalians want to know your tribe and family to assess if it's a stable and has a good name and history in abiding by the somali xeer system, but it also assessed the history of your family and it's contribution to make your clan greater then what it is now(dhaxaltoyo) they assessed to see what sort of gifted people or TALENT existed in your clan and all that was measured also in levels. They judged all Somalis under 'xeer somali' and all clans report to it using the 'diya' system.

But some clans had 'sultanates' like the one in majerteniya, a sultanate is just a family or qoys who created a structure of order around itself and ruled other families and groups nearby and depending on how grand it's sultanates got, the reach and scale of it expanded out further and further. Look at Saudi Arabia that is a pure sultanates, the family of saud gathered themselves together and created a structure of government around their family and pass it on from father to son in a chain while ruling all other saudi arabian tribes.

That's what Majerteniya was about also. The Bari sultanates was the leader of the Darod in a GOVERNMENT capacity for Bari-Nugal-Northern Mudug, while in a traditional role for the rest of Darod regions who had their own 'rulers' or princes similar to the Dubai system with all those princes. You can compare Garaad-Sultans-Islan-Ugas-Beeldaje-Amirs and all them traditional titles similar to princes in the darod clan where-as the boqor is the sultan and decision maker. Now the capacity and role he plays will change the boqor, it could only be traditional for the princes like the UK queen is tradition only now or it can be government capacity like saudi arabia where it's the ruler.

Boqor Darod has both functions of tradition and ruler, right now he appears to be just tradition but his history was both roles. He has been expanded to be BOQOR of All Somalis now due to his lineage being the longest running Sultanates in Somalia. He will perform a traditional or queen elizabeth style role for all Somalis in the future, so don't be worried he won't be your CONQUERER, you will have your own princes managing your own clan families hawiye and isaaqow, but know who the BOQOR is. It's me DR OSMAN
 

BankaTuyo

حيران
Somalis in Somalia have a political ideology i call "Cousinship Theocracy", it is all about "Ilma-adeernimo" the highest point of allegiance for any Somali back home is his father and grandfather then his brothers then his paternal cousins.

very sad reality.
 
Are Somalis conservative or liberals? I know we mostly vote for liberals because their multicultural and pro refugee rights, but what about the actual social structure of conservativism and it's values that basically promotes to rely on yourself and navigate the class system of becoming poor-less poor-middle-wealthy-wealthier-1%.

Where-as socialism teaches to rely on the group-think, I AM REER SHAQAALE(UNION MEMBERS) give me a raise because I am apart of this group. Somalis rely on this failed principle also in modern somalia where we rely on the success of our clans to make us look better, no individualism, no possible class system can developed as we all rejoice over the success of on our clans-men and not trying to replicate that for ourselves.

Ancient Somalia and pre-colonial Somalia was very capitalist and conservative structure with a slight socialist policy around 'charity or welfare' for certain people in the society due to religious obligation, but it's capitalism all the way. Nomads are not equal in camel counts, none share their wealth around unless there is some religious charity they must do or welfare contribution.

They judged individuals on their 'zinjiyad' or tribe and then their class within that tribe 'soldier, business-man, poet, wakiil(politics), isimo, religious elders and list goes on' all the differernt classes within a clan were all ranked higher then each other none of this were all fuckin equal shit. So not only did pre-colonial Somalians want to know your tribe and family to assess if it's a stable and has a good name and history in abiding by the somali xeer system, but it also assessed the history of your family and it's contribution to make your clan greater then what it is now(dhaxaltoyo) they assessed to see what sort of gifted people or TALENT existed in your clan and all that was measured also in levels. They judged all Somalis under 'xeer somali' and all clans report to it using the 'diya' system.

But some clans had 'sultanates' like the one in majerteniya, a sultanate is just a family or qoys who created a structure of order around itself and ruled other families and groups nearby and depending on how grand it's sultanates got, the reach and scale of it expanded out further and further. Look at Saudi Arabia that is a pure sultanates, the family of saud gathered themselves together and created a structure of government around their family and pass it on from father to son in a chain while ruling all other saudi arabian tribes.

That's what Majerteniya was about also. The Bari sultanates was the leader of the Darod in a GOVERNMENT capacity for Bari-Nugal-Northern Mudug, while in a traditional role for the rest of Darod regions who had their own 'rulers' or princes similar to the Dubai system with all those princes. You can compare Garaad-Sultans-Islan-Ugas-Beeldaje-Amirs and all them traditional titles similar to princes in the darod clan where-as the boqor is the sultan and decision maker. Now the capacity and role he plays will change the boqor, it could only be traditional for the princes like the UK queen is tradition only now or it can be government capacity like saudi arabia where it's the ruler.

Boqor Darod has both functions of tradition and ruler, right now he appears to be just tradition but his history was both roles. He has been expanded to be BOQOR of All Somalis now due to his lineage being the longest running Sultanates in Somalia. He will perform a traditional or queen elizabeth style role for all Somalis in the future, so don't be worried he won't be your CONQUERER, you will have your own princes managing your own clan families hawiye and isaaqow, but know who the BOQOR is. It's me DR OSMAN
I am Conservative with some Liberal views
 

Von

With blood and Iron will we reach the fatherland
Conservative in Somalia and Liberal (Pro-immigration ect) in the West :trumpsmirk:
At heart Somalis are conservative but in the west, it does us no good supporting them
 

Crow

Make Hobyo Great Again
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Conservative in Somalia and Liberal (Pro-immigration ect) in the West :trumpsmirk:
At heart Somalis are conservative but in the west, it does us no good supporting them
Yup. The same as most immigrants really.
 

Jiron

wanaag
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I say somewhere in the middle, sometimes in conflict.

Go to YouTube Somali music videos

After searching for the song and listening to it, someone will leave the following comment;

“I wish u used ur voice to read the Quran’

With like 45 likes

:)
 

DR OSMAN

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I am Conservative with some Liberal views

I believe in some liberal moral policies but not society structure policies. Moral policies like free healthcare I think should be a right for all, we are human beings and it's not our choice to fall sick you know what I mean, why you checking my wallet first or wealth, just give me my fuckin daawo or medicine nayaa kkkkk. I don't have to die nayaa just because I am poor farah, can u live with that on your conscious nayaa kkkk. That's the arguments poor people do with american hospital system when their thrown out cause of insurance not being paid on time kkkkkk.

That's capitalism gone to far in my opinion, somalis draw the line around capitalism also, some of that moral side of liberalism is bad also like abortion, f*ck that. They open murder clinics where women come together to discuss how to kill their baby, that's wrong. Just give birth to it and let the state take it away from you if u can't look after it and we will find an orphanage for them and possibly a foster parent. Somalis used to foster parent kids from regional areas coming to mogadishu like my dad got foster parents thru abgaal man who took him in and raised him up and paid everything for him while he was studying, the foster parents saw this as an investment when the boy grows up he will come back and take care of the foster parent?

How times changed, we don't do that shit anymore since 91, our hearts have hardened, we are capitalist mongrels now and just watch hungry kids die on the street.
 

DR OSMAN

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I'm a mix of both but I tend to lean left on health care, education and housing.

Most people are center the question is are u center left(liberals) or center right(conservatives). We all diverge from the center towards more conservatism or more liberalism. Most people are a mix because party idealogies covers morality, economics, immigration, education, housing, defence and pretty much any social matter in society hence most people switch to one side on a topic to another it's a mess.
 

SirLancelLord

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Are Somalis conservative or liberals? I know we mostly vote for liberals because their multicultural and pro refugee rights, but what about the actual social structure of conservativism and it's values that basically promotes to rely on yourself and navigate the class system of becoming poor-less poor-middle-wealthy-wealthier-1%.

Where-as socialism teaches to rely on the group-think, I AM REER SHAQAALE(UNION MEMBERS) give me a raise because I am apart of this group. Somalis rely on this failed principle also in modern somalia where we rely on the success of our clans to make us look better, no individualism, no possible class system can developed as we all rejoice over the success of on our clans-men and not trying to replicate that for ourselves.

Ancient Somalia and pre-colonial Somalia was very capitalist and conservative structure with a slight socialist policy around 'charity or welfare' for certain people in the society due to religious obligation, but it's capitalism all the way. Nomads are not equal in camel counts, none share their wealth around unless there is some religious charity they must do or welfare contribution.

They judged individuals on their 'zinjiyad' or tribe and then their class within that tribe 'soldier, business-man, poet, wakiil(politics), isimo, religious elders and list goes on' all the differernt classes within a clan were all ranked higher then each other none of this were all fuckin equal shit. So not only did pre-colonial Somalians want to know your tribe and family to assess if it's a stable and has a good name and history in abiding by the somali xeer system, but it also assessed the history of your family and it's contribution to make your clan greater then what it is now(dhaxaltoyo) they assessed to see what sort of gifted people or TALENT existed in your clan and all that was measured also in levels. They judged all Somalis under 'xeer somali' and all clans report to it using the 'diya' system.

But some clans had 'sultanates' like the one in majerteniya, a sultanate is just a family or qoys who created a structure of order around itself and ruled other families and groups nearby and depending on how grand it's sultanates got, the reach and scale of it expanded out further and further. Look at Saudi Arabia that is a pure sultanates, the family of saud gathered themselves together and created a structure of government around their family and pass it on from father to son in a chain while ruling all other saudi arabian tribes.

That's what Majerteniya was about also. The Bari sultanates was the leader of the Darod in a GOVERNMENT capacity for Bari-Nugal-Northern Mudug, while in a traditional role for the rest of Darod regions who had their own 'rulers' or princes similar to the Dubai system with all those princes. You can compare Garaad-Sultans-Islan-Ugas-Beeldaje-Amirs and all them traditional titles similar to princes in the darod clan where-as the boqor is the sultan and decision maker. Now the capacity and role he plays will change the boqor, it could only be traditional for the princes like the UK queen is tradition only now or it can be government capacity like saudi arabia where it's the ruler.

Boqor Darod has both functions of tradition and ruler, right now he appears to be just tradition but his history was both roles. He has been expanded to be BOQOR of All Somalis now due to his lineage being the longest running Sultanates in Somalia. He will perform a traditional or queen elizabeth style role for all Somalis in the future, so don't be worried he won't be your CONQUERER, you will have your own princes managing your own clan families hawiye and isaaqow, but know who the BOQOR is. It's me DR OSMAN

This is dependent on wealth status, the more wealthy the more liberal as you have the funds to do anything whereas being a conservative is when it's the opposite
 
Conservative in Somalia and Liberal (Pro-immigration ect) in the West :trumpsmirk:
At heart Somalis are conservative but in the west, it does us no good supporting them
Yep, that’s where I stand as well. I’m conservative at heart (socially conservative) but will always support liberal policies like free education, healthcare and adequate housing as they are basic human rights.
 
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