American foreign establishment move towards formalizing de jure Somaaliland/Somaalia confederalism

[Gadhwayne]

@repo @Maxamed bin Harti this another reason that the FGS must quickly gain control of SomaaliaItaliana




The IC will push and prod the Northern central government and the weak central government in Muqdisho to formally agree a de jure confederal relationship between the North and the South, including PL.

Somaliland and SomaliaItaliana are headed towards a North/South assymetric confederalism/federalism with de jure maximal autonomy for the North. An ratified de facto maximal autonomy for PL. The rest of SomaliaItaliana under varying degrees of Muqdisho government control

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This scenario of de facto autonomy for PL wont be victory for PIM or ictiraafism neither. No ictiraaf. And PL de facto independence wont be formalized. Muqdisho will continue to reassert itself in PL. But PL would be surrounded by unionist/centralist easternSool/Badhan and Muqdisho controlled southMudug. The North/South confederacy could be disasterous and PL could become proxy ground for potential drama between Muqdisho and Hargeysa

The only solution is unitary union from Sacaadaddiin island and Zeylac to the Baajuuni islands

 

[TekNiKo]

Niyow you call me a flipflopping but you are worst arent you a unionist? Now you are advocating for SL independence. Waryaa Bohol I will destroy you.

 

[Gadhwayne]

Niyow you call me a flipflopping but you are worst arent you a unionist? Now you are advocating for SL independence. Waryaa Bohol I will destroy you.

Did you read the last sentence

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Now why dont you stop flipflopping on PL/GM praise/slander

 

[codewebsduh]

Lol random tweets

 

[InaShaqalle]

Confederation doesn't mean independence. I believe a two state confederation that in practice functions like the EU is the only option for unitary SL and federal Somalia (Italian Somalia according to @Gadhwayne ) to remain one country

 

[General bacluul]

Somaliland Will and shall remain and independent state till. The end of times

walanweyn been there and done that

 

[InaShaqalle]

Somaliland Will and shall remain and independent state till. The end of times

walanweyn been there and done that

But what if Somaliland has full internal autonomy, has its own proper military and has the constitutional right to secede.......would you not then consider forming such a loose union with your neighbouring twin?

 

[Dima&Damo]

The UN Don't Wanna Have Another Basket Case

 

[Dharbaaxo Jin]

But what if Somaliland has full internal autonomy, has its own proper military and has the constitutional right to secede.......would you not then consider forming such a loose union with your neighbouring twin?

No, it is full independence or nothing. Our Independence was hard earned and untold sacrifices were made. We've worked hard to maintain our independence for 30 years, to give up any of it is sheer treachery that should be punishable by death.

There is no reconciling with Somalia ever. No matter how much they try to act conciliatory and supposedly negotiate in good faith at any given moment, their Wanlaweyn tactics will come to the surface sooner rather than later. The last 60 years has proven that time and time again.

 

[Dharbaaxo Jin]

The UN Don't Wanna Have Another Basket Case

Dude, I know that you're Scandinavian and English is not your first or second language, but what's with all the capitals in your endless one sentence replies?

It can't be for convenience as it actually takes more effort to write in all capitals, than to write properly.

 

[kulane]

No, it is full independence or nothing. Our Independence was hard earned and untold sacrifices were made. We've worked hard to maintain our independence for 30 years, to give up any of it is sheer treachery that should be punishable by death.

There is no reconciling with Somalia ever. No matter how much they try to act conciliatory and supposedly negotiate in good faith at any given moment, their Wanlaweyn tactics will come to the surface sooner rather than later. The last 60 years has proven that time and time again.

How many more years are you ready to wait for the recognition ? You already lost 30 years.

 

[Dharbaaxo Jin]

How many more years are you ready to wait for the recognition ? You already lost 30 years.

People need to learn to read. I never said anything about recognition.

We have been independent for 30 years. Those have been Somaliland's best 30 years. Maintaining that along with continued economic development and social progression are Somaliland's priorities. Recognition would be a massive help in both those areas, but is not the be all and end all that you folks seem to think it is.

 

[Aurelian]

@repo @Maxamed bin Harti this another reason that the FGS must quickly gain control of SomaaliaItaliana




The IC will push and prod the Northern central government and the weak central government in Muqdisho to formally agree a de jure confederal relationship between the North and the South, including PL.

Somaliland and SomaliaItaliana are headed towards a North/South assymetric confederalism/federalism with de jure maximal autonomy for the North. An ratified de facto maximal autonomy for PL. The rest of SomaliaItaliana under varying degrees of Muqdisho government control

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This scenario of de facto autonomy for PL wont be victory for PIM or ictiraafism neither. No ictiraaf. And PL de facto independence wont be formalized. Muqdisho will continue to reassert itself in PL. But PL would be surrounded by unionist/centralist easternSool/Badhan and Muqdisho controlled southMudug. The North/South confederacy could be disasterous and PL could become proxy ground for potential drama between Muqdisho and Hargeysa

The only solution is unitary union from Sacaadaddiin island and Zeylac to the Baajuuni islands

PL becoming a ground between SL and South? This can only happen if the south is already united ideologically.




I still can't comperhens this political chaos in the south, like what the hell they are thinking about?

 

[Gadhwayne]

As @Dharbaaxo Jin noted JSL has defacto independence. What Im sensing is the IC will push for a north/south confederal union between the Northern government and the weak central government of the South. JSL defacto independence is maintained under this system but it would be dysfunctional. The only thing that works is unitary government controlling the south and the north and fair representation for the North.

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[InaShaqalle]

How can you advocate for a unitary system of vertical governance for Somalia and Somaliland combined @Gadhwayne when Somalia alone will be federation composed of 5 strong federated member states.

I don't mind either full independence for SL or reunification via a two-state confederation

 

[Dharbaaxo Jin]

How can you advocate for a unitary system of vertical governance for Somalia and Somaliland combined @Gadhwayne when Somalia alone will be federation composed of 5 strong federated member states.

I don't mind either full independence for SL or reunification via a two-state confederation

A two state confederation would never work for a variety of different reasons. The reasons from SL's side are numerous but ultimately centre around having to surrender its sovereignty/independence.

From Somalia's side though, I think people are being very naïve . Many of the well intentioned people on this site, and in the Qurbaha in general, seem willing to take extraordinary steps to entice SL back, that in reality the leaders in Somalia never would be willing to. FMS' like Puntland and Jubbaland would be having hissy fits about the preferential status of Somaliland within a two-state confederation status. A solution to that could be that all FMS' are essentially autonomous except for foreign affairs and national security. Then you would come back to what would be in it for SL in that, as essentially it'd be an FMS.

The simple reality is that there is not going to be an appetite from either SL or Somalia's side for a confederation. There are only two final solutions on the SL question: Full SL independence or Somalia uses force to bring SL under its control, if it can get IC support for that. Everything else is a naïve pipedream.

 

[InaShaqalle]

@Dharbaaxo Jin even if you guys become a de jure independent country, would you really object to some kind of EU style integration with us such as open borders and a shared currency?

 

[Dharbaaxo Jin]

@Dharbaaxo Jin even if you guys become a de jure independent country, would you really object to some kind of EU style integration with us such as open borders and a shared currency?

I personally wouldn't want that, as I think those types of unions have vast problems, but I think the vast majority of Landers would be fine with that if not in favour of that, especially if that is a route to recognition.
Somaliland leaders I think would be strongly opposed to a monetary union, but would certainly be open to open borders.