Ajuraan Empire Explained

[Canuck]

No translation needed. What you have here is only part of the argument and does not satisfy the matter:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_ibn_Ibrahim_al-Ghazi

"Imam Ahmad is regarded by many scholars as an ethnic Somali. However, other historians have disputed his ethnicity,[8] with Ahmad sometimes interpreted as being a Harari [9][10] Many Somali clans played a strong role in Gurey's conquest of Abyssinia, however these clans went to war not so much as Somalis but as Muslims."[11]["

There is no agreement on this because his ethnicity is unknown. Everybody claims him but nobody has definitive proof. The Futuh itself does not cover it. In addition to Harari, others have asserted he could also have been Arab or Afar. Note the religious, non-ethnic, basis of the war.

You still haven't supplied a link.

It was not argument but, screenshots of historic book written by Yemeni writer in Middle age. in the book (conquest of Abyssinia) he mentioned the names of Somali tribes that fought and ruled Adal.

 

[Canuck]

No translation needed. What you have here is only part of the argument and does not satisfy the matter:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_ibn_Ibrahim_al-Ghazi

"Imam Ahmad is regarded by many scholars as an ethnic Somali. However, other historians have disputed his ethnicity,[8] with Ahmad sometimes interpreted as being a Harari [9][10] Many Somali clans played a strong role in Gurey's conquest of Abyssinia, however these clans went to war not so much as Somalis but as Muslims."[11]["

There is no agreement on this because his ethnicity is unknown. Everybody claims him but nobody has definitive proof. The Futuh itself does not cover it. In addition to Harari, others have asserted he could also have been Arab or Afar. Note the religious, non-ethnic, basis of the war.

You still haven't supplied a link.

You are using Wikipedia as reference while I brought evidence from book written at that time.

 

[Menelik III]

It was not argument but, screenshots of historic book written by Yemeni writer in Middle age. in the book (conquest of Abyssinia) he mentioned the names of Somali tribes that fought and ruled Adal.

Once again, the word Adal literally comes from an afar clan and the predecessor for Adal was ifat of shewa. I know it's hard to believe since you're crazy and believe in your own lies.
Do you need book quotes?

 

[Grant]

It was not argument but, screenshots of historic book written by Yemeni writer in Middle age. in the book (conquest of Abyssinia) he mentioned the names of Somali tribes that fought and ruled Adal.

The tribes that fought are named. But if this is the Futuh, then Gurey's tribe is NOT named. . You still have no link , and no additional evidence. If this is the Futuh, at least get the name right. Wiki is adequate evidence for the controversy, which is real and continuing..

Listen to Menelik. You are either nuts or this is just more of your incessant taqiyya.

 

[Canuck]

The tribes that fought are named. But if this is the Futuh, then Gurey's tribe is NOT named. . You still have no link , and no additional evidence. If this is the Futuh, at least get the name right. Wiki is adequate evidence for the controversy, which is real and continuing..

Listen to Menelik. You are either nuts or this is just more of your incessant taqiyya.

It was named but because you don't read Arabic or Somali can't know that fact.

 

[Canuck]

Once again, the word Adal literally comes from an afar clan and the predecessor for Adal was ifat of shewa. I know it's hard to believe since you're crazy and believe in your own lies.
Do you need book quotes?

You stop wannabe habashi, Ifat sultanate was Dir tribe Somali sultanate.

 

[Reer-Bari]

Ifat sultanate was somali

 

[Grant]

It was named but because you don't read Arabic or Somali can't know that fact.

Ever hear of the English translations? Some are even online:

https://e0a1c40e-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites...Z6FEd6BHRVDypRCz-wAalQPau-JQcT&attredirects=0

Then, there is this:

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Ahmad_ibn_Ibrihim_al-Ghazi

"Ethnicity
Imam Ahmad has traditionally sometimes been interpreted as being an Arab in Ethiopia,[1] though he is more often represented as an ethnic Somali.[2] The traditional interpretation of his ethnicity as Somali, however, has been challenged. Adal was a multi-ethnic state comprising Afars and Somalis, as well as the ancestors of the modern Harari, and, after the reign of Sa'ad ad-Din II (1403/15), Belews (Arabized Bejas). Ewald Wagner postulates that, in fact, "the main population of Adal may have been of Afar stock."[3]

His ethnicity is never explicitly mentioned in the Futuh al-Habasha of Sihab ad-Din Ahmad bin 'Abd al-Qader (otherwise known as 'Arab Faqih), the primary source for his conquests, possibly because it was not important or because the author assumed it was known to his readers. There are a number of clues in the Futuh worth considering.

• Many of Imam Ahmdad's relatives are identified. His sister Fardusa is said to have been married to the chieftain Mattan, who is identified as a Somali unlike her.[4] Imam Ahmdad's brother was Muhammad bin Ibrahim, chieftain of the tribes of Shewa and Hargaya before joining the Imam against Ethiopia.[5] He had a cousin Muhammad bin Ali, whose mother was the Imam's aunt; Muhammad was the Sultan of the Somali tribe of Zarba.[6] Last is his cousin Emir Zeharbui Muhammad, of whose background the Futuh has little to say.[7]
• The Futuh mentions one Ibrahim bin Ahmad as a ruler of the Adal Sultanate for three months, whose name suggests that he may be the Imam's father. This Ibrahim is described as one of the Belew and previously having been the ruler of the town of Hubat.[8] The possible connection between the two is strengthened by the fact that Hubat is later mentioned as one of the power bases of Imam Ahmad (the other being Za'ka).[9]
• Then there are numerous occasions where the Futuh supplies evidence for an argument from silence. There are numerous passages in the Futuh where Imam Ahmad and the Somali people are mentioned together, and never once does 'Arab Faqih mention the ethnic connection. Further, the Somali warriors are described as having fled during the Battle of Shimbra Kure; had the Imam been Somali, would the Futuh which otherwise praises the Imam at every turn, mention this embarrassing detail?[10]
• So far these argue against the Imam being descended from Somali ancestors (although in any case there are undeniably Somali families who can claim to be his descendants). But in favor of Imam Ahmad's having been a Somali is the fact that, after disagreeing with Sultan Umar Din over the alms tax, he retired to live amongst the Somali.[11]

Although one could use the evidence of the Futuh to argue that Imam Ahmad was not a Somali, it is clear that he had many connections to the Somali people. Franz-Christoph Muth, among most other experts, identifies him as Somali.[12]"

Arabic has nothing to do with it. The Futuh does NOT say Gurey was Somali. Adal was a multi-ethnic state. That Gurey chose to live among the Somali proves exactly nothing. The arguments going elsewhere are just as strong. Stop making this stuff up as you go! "Patriotism" is not an excuse for distorting history.

 

[Canuck]

Ever hear of the English translations? Some are even online:

https://e0a1c40e-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites...Z6FEd6BHRVDypRCz-wAalQPau-JQcT&attredirects=0

Then, there is this:

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Ahmad_ibn_Ibrihim_al-Ghazi

"Ethnicity
Imam Ahmad has traditionally sometimes been interpreted as being an Arab in Ethiopia,[1] though he is more often represented as an ethnic Somali.[2] The traditional interpretation of his ethnicity as Somali, however, has been challenged. Adal was a multi-ethnic state comprising Afars and Somalis, as well as the ancestors of the modern Harari, and, after the reign of Sa'ad ad-Din II (1403/15), Belews (Arabized Bejas). Ewald Wagner postulates that, in fact, "the main population of Adal may have been of Afar stock."[3]

His ethnicity is never explicitly mentioned in the Futuh al-Habasha of Sihab ad-Din Ahmad bin 'Abd al-Qader (otherwise known as 'Arab Faqih), the primary source for his conquests, possibly because it was not important or because the author assumed it was known to his readers. There are a number of clues in the Futuh worth considering.

• Many of Imam Ahmdad's relatives are identified. His sister Fardusa is said to have been married to the chieftain Mattan, who is identified as a Somali unlike her.[4] Imam Ahmdad's brother was Muhammad bin Ibrahim, chieftain of the tribes of Shewa and Hargaya before joining the Imam against Ethiopia.[5] He had a cousin Muhammad bin Ali, whose mother was the Imam's aunt; Muhammad was the Sultan of the Somali tribe of Zarba.[6] Last is his cousin Emir Zeharbui Muhammad, of whose background the Futuh has little to say.[7]
• The Futuh mentions one Ibrahim bin Ahmad as a ruler of the Adal Sultanate for three months, whose name suggests that he may be the Imam's father. This Ibrahim is described as one of the Belew and previously having been the ruler of the town of Hubat.[8] The possible connection between the two is strengthened by the fact that Hubat is later mentioned as one of the power bases of Imam Ahmad (the other being Za'ka).[9]
• Then there are numerous occasions where the Futuh supplies evidence for an argument from silence. There are numerous passages in the Futuh where Imam Ahmad and the Somali people are mentioned together, and never once does 'Arab Faqih mention the ethnic connection. Further, the Somali warriors are described as having fled during the Battle of Shimbra Kure; had the Imam been Somali, would the Futuh which otherwise praises the Imam at every turn, mention this embarrassing detail?[10]
• So far these argue against the Imam being descended from Somali ancestors (although in any case there are undeniably Somali families who can claim to be his descendants). But in favor of Imam Ahmad's having been a Somali is the fact that, after disagreeing with Sultan Umar Din over the alms tax, he retired to live amongst the Somali.[11]

Although one could use the evidence of the Futuh to argue that Imam Ahmad was not a Somali, it is clear that he had many connections to the Somali people. Franz-Christoph Muth, among most other experts, identifies him as Somali.[12]"

Arabic has nothing to do with it. The Futuh does NOT say Gurey was Somali. Adal was a multi-ethnic state. That Gurey chose to live among the Somali proves exactly nothing. The arguments going elsewhere are just as strong. Stop making this stuff up as you go! "Patriotism" is not an excuse for distorting history.

Again you are quoting from Wikipedia which any one with google account can edited, plus the images ghat showed it (underlined sentences showed his Somali tribe) again even if the majority of adal were afar but they ruled by Somalis. Hargaya Tribe are dir Somalis. @Odeg plz bring the reference in English which showed Gurey 's Somali tribe.

 

[Grant]

Again you are quoting from Wikipedia which any one with google account can edited, plus the images ghat showed it (underlined sentences showed his Somali tribe) again even if the majority of adal were afar but they ruled by Somalis. Hargaya Tribe are dir Somalis. @Odeg plz bring the reference in English which showed Gurey 's Somali tribe.

Oh! So now New World and the full Futuh in English are Wiki and you want Odeg to supply something I have shown you isn't there? Get a grip, lady.

 

[Menelik III]

Oh! So now New World and the full Futuh in English are Wiki and you want Odeg to supply something that isn't there? Get a grip, lady.

Ifat was the second sultanate to be formed in the region of Shawa, in what is currently central Ethiopia. It was Umar Walasma who founded the Walasma dynasty (1280–1520s), which spearheaded Muslim resistance to the expanding Christian kingdom. From the very beginning Ifat was the victim of its own contradictory policies. On the one hand, Ifat was the greatest beneficiary of the lucrative trade of central and southern Ethiopia. Important caravan routes in southern and eastern Ethiopia converged on Ifat, whose capital was the major center of trade in the region. Ifat's commercial prosperity attracted the attention of the powerful Christian king, Amda-siyon, who was determined to annex Ifat and other Muslim states to his rapidly expanding kingdom. On the other hand, the leaders of Ifat adopted aggressive policies toward the neighboring Christian kingdom, thus providing an excuse for Amda-Siyon to invade Ifat in 1329 and annex it in 1332. Although Muslim resistance in Ifat developed between 1363 and 1374, one of its leaders took the dramatic action of shifting the center of Muslim resistance to the eastern region of Ethiopia. This entry briefly explores Ifat's resistance to Christian domination.

 

[Xooshdheere]

Ifat was the second sultanate to be formed in the region of Shawa, in what is currently central Ethiopia. It was Umar Walasma who founded the Walasma dynasty (1280–1520s), which spearheaded Muslim resistance to the expanding Christian kingdom. From the very beginning Ifat was the victim of its own contradictory policies. On the one hand, Ifat was the greatest beneficiary of the lucrative trade of central and southern Ethiopia. Important caravan routes in southern and eastern Ethiopia converged on Ifat, whose capital was the major center of trade in the region. Ifat's commercial prosperity attracted the attention of the powerful Christian king, Amda-siyon, who was determined to annex Ifat and other Muslim states to his rapidly expanding kingdom. On the other hand, the leaders of Ifat adopted aggressive policies toward the neighboring Christian kingdom, thus providing an excuse for Amda-Siyon to invade Ifat in 1329 and annex it in 1332. Although Muslim resistance in Ifat developed between 1363 and 1374, one of its leaders took the dramatic action of shifting the center of Muslim resistance to the eastern region of Ethiopia. This entry briefly explores Ifat's resistance to Christian domination.

Is Ajuraan Ethiopian too?

 

[Menelik III]

Is Ajuraan Ethiopian too?

Nope, that piece is from a research paper authored by a Muslim. It's Ethiopian history just as Adal and ifat are.

 

[Merchant of Mogadishu]

Nope, that piece is from a research paper authored by a Muslim. It's Ethiopian history just as Adal and ifat are.

We wuz Adalz

 

[Xooshdheere]

We wuz Adalz

we wuz every civilizationz

 

[Sharmake shark]

I'm wondering, where are the Ajuran now? Their successors?

I meet a Somali Ajuuran once the last of his kind

 

[YoungFarah]

I meet a Somali Ajuuran once the last of his kind

There are tons of them mostly living in south Somalia and Kenya.

 

[Sharmake shark]

There are tons of them mostly living in south Somalia and Kenya.

They used to rule most of modern Somalia and now are deep in the jungles of Kenya there decline was sad

 

[Odeg]

Again you are quoting from Wikipedia which any one with google account can edited, plus the images ghat showed it (underlined sentences showed his Somali tribe) again even if the majority of adal were afar but they ruled by Somalis. Hargaya Tribe are dir Somalis. @Odeg plz bring the reference in English which showed Gurey 's Somali tribe.

Are you thinking about these? The Imam ethnicity is unclear but there was another man called Gurey who is confirmed Somali.


Axmed Gurey or the Imam ethnicity is not shown in this book but based on who replaced him and his connection to Somalis I think there is big possibility he was Somali. He was replaced by Emiir Nuur of Mareexan Sade.

 

[Canuck]

Oh! So now New World and the full Futuh in English are Wiki and you want Odeg to supply something I have shown you isn't there? Get a grip, lady.

You should act according to your age and stop quoting from Wikipedia and misleading the people