According to this Somali oday the Greek word "Sarapion" is a Somali word. Odayga said they stole it from us🤔

[Fobnimo Till I Dhimo]

Sara-pi-on say this in a fast way in Somali and see how similar it sounds to Sarapion

Seero= border

Biyo= water

Oon= thirst

Sara-pi-on

Is this guy onto something with his theory, or is it just a bunch of hot air?

 

[Fobnimo Till I Dhimo]

 

[daljirkadahsoon]

The Greeks might have just called it that of their own accord.

Serapion is a name there are even recorded ancient figures with that name. The name is rooted in the name of a Greek-Egyptian idol Serapis.

It might be related to that or this might be coincidental and it really is a Greek version of a local name.

I don't buy this etymology though. It is almost unheard of for a Somali place name to end in 'N'- try listing one. Maybe I'm wrong and there used to be more in the past.

For example, the city of Rhapta on the Azanian Coast (Southern Somalia) is from the Greek for sewn boats rhapton ploiarion i.e the beden ships. Greeks seem to name things as they feel like lol

 

[Magan Joseph]

Sheikh Mustafa Ismail said the word immigration comes the Somali words “imo” and “garo” I can’t find the video of him describing this

 

[Fobnimo Till I Dhimo]

I find it strange that he's the only person online explaining it this way. It might be a theory with a slight probability of being true, who knows? If you divide the word into three parts (sara-pi-on) in Somali and say it slowly (seero-biyo-oon) you'll notice how similar it sounds to the Greek word. It's quite surprising that each part of the Greek word turns into a meaningful word in Somali, when you go by his theory. Oday amu saxsan yahay talow

Gotta give it to the oday though, it's very creative and slightly convincing

 

[Three Moons]

The Greeks might have just called it that of their own accord.

Serapion is a name there are even recorded ancient figures with that name. The name is rooted in the name of a Greek-Egyptian idol Serapis.

It might be related to that or this might be coincidental and it really is a Greek version of a local name.

I don't buy this etymology though. It is almost unheard of for a Somali place name to end in 'N'- try listing one. Maybe I'm wrong and there used to be more in the past.

For example, the city of Rhapta on the Azanian Coast (Southern Somalia) is from the Greek for sewn boats rhapton ploiarion i.e the beden ships. Greeks seem to name things as they feel like lol

There is literally Hafun that ends with an ‘N’, but more importantly the Periplus did not invent names for existing cities but was a travel guide for sailors, hence what those cities were called in the Periplus is roughly what they were actually known as at the time, the only issue is that we today only have the Greek or Hellenic pronunciation of these ancient emporiums. For example; Opone, pronounced as ‘Opun’ is really their attempt at trying to say Afun or Hafun.

@Sophisticate also mentioned once several other historical towns that have been identified with their Hellenised names;

“Greco-Roman records and urban archeology regarding over 150 BCE–550 CE show that there had been a socioeconomically organized nation along the Somali coast. Some of the Greco-Roman named towns, such as Avalites, Mundu, Gaza, Pano, and Opone, are respectively identified with the historical and still enduring towns of Awtal > Awdal, Xiis, Gawa, Bina, and Ḥafūn.”

 

[daljirkadahsoon]

There is literally Hafun that ends with an ‘N’, but more importantly the Periplus did not invent names for existing cities but was a travel guide for sailors, hence what those cities were called in the Periplus is roughly what they were actually known as at the time, the only issue is that we today only have the Greek or Hellenic pronunciation of these ancient emporiums. For example; Opone, pronounced as ‘Opun’ is really their attempt at trying to say Afun or Hafun.

@Sophisticate also mentioned once several other historical towns that have been identified with their Hellenised names;

“Greco-Roman records and urban archeology regarding over 150 BCE–550 CE show that there had been a socioeconomically organized nation along the Somali coast. Some of the Greco-Roman named towns, such as Avalites, Mundu, Gaza, Pano, and Opone, are respectively identified with the historical and still enduring towns of Awtal > Awdal, Xiis, Gawa, Bina, and Ḥafūn.”

I forgot about these city names that they had just hellenised.

What do you think about the apparent meaning of Rhapta though?

@Fobnimo Till I Dhimo Looks like your Oday might be right

 

[Three Moons]

@Three Moons I accept your point do you acknowledge that an n ending is not common though

I forgot about these city names that they had just hellenised.

What do you think about the apparent meaning of Rhapta though?

@Fobnimo Till I Dhimo Looks like your Oday might be right

Buraan, Cayn, Iskushuban, Wanlaweyn, Karin, Hudun, etc?

Raphta was somewhere in Tanzania, that’s for the Iraqw Cushites to figure out.

 

[daljirkadahsoon]

Buraan, Cayn, Iskushuban, Wanlaweyn, Karin, Hudun, etc?

Raphta was somewhere in Tanzania, that’s for the Iraqw Cushites to figure out.

I came across a place called Bur Gao and also known as 'Port Dunford' by Europeans for some reason when looking at Rhapta.

Apparently it has really old pillar tombs that prove it is the port of Nikon mentioned in the Periplus.

Is it possible that some of our ancestors stretched further south and interacted with South Cushites like the Iraqw? The Bantu tribes only appear rather late into this area.

The DNA results here are interesting quite a few early E1B1Bs popping up and more interestingly look how early some are and in Tanzania:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.07.10.499442v1.full.pdf