Somaliland Voter Numbers Are Cooked Up

Yo @Crow do u think PL will 'number faking' like SL? it's quite easy, we get all the clans to sit down in PL and add a 'certain percentage' on top of each village, this ensures you don't think I am getting extra cause things remain 'even' still. It just means we can create a 'fabricated' population for PL and say it's 10 million to the world and Somalis.

That's all Somaliland did, they agreed to inflate all 'village' figures equally so they can boost their over-all numbers equally for all clans. So rather then 500k total, it becomes 1 million total voters in SL. Naga wad muse suldankani waxba ma yaqano waa maskin reer xeebeed, isdabamarinta iyo haramta somalida ma baran, waa nacas sida @Cognitivedissonance reer bari ah.

Let nugaalis/mudug folks handle shisheeye we know how they operate and can get in their brain cells and 'destroy' it

@Crow no wonder puntites like the abdi isse, they are realest niggas in omar mahmoud. The rest are 'faan' orientated live in delusions about Somali culture which promotes lying, cheating, stealing values it's not a culture of honesty, hard work, production, reward systems like the western world.

What u say when PL does democracy, do u think they will number crunch and inflate all villages 50% more then what they really are like Somalilanders clearly do. I saw a real clan break down of Isaaq, niggas are no more then 400k. I think @Bohol has it. The rest is inflated to get more donor funds.

We must tell the world to inject Somali donor funds to areas that provide an economic return not on population size, this will mean each region will be forced to prove financially the benefit and returns of donor funds over year 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and base line it against what the situation is when not invested. We can then prepare ranking each region with the best return financially over 5 years and ask the world to invest here first and then invest based on our regional rankings.

That's the sort of economic model I want to see in Somalia, wallahi u won't hear me say a word anymore when I see the figures because I am sick of our people being caught up in debt traps because they invested on population size or some nonsensical clan reason and we remain 3rd world forever. Anigu xasid ma ahi, lakin lacagtasi waa inu fa'ido keena, following the laws of investment.

Crow said:

We are honest in Puntland. We've never fudged the numbers with our budget and we will never do that with our population. That haraam lying culture is strictly Somaliland.

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You can't plan your society with fake figures, it's always going to remain 'third' world. The key thing the western world advanced is thru 'measuring' everything they do and then reviewing the results. Without the right numbers of your population, we can't measure and prove anything worked in terms of policies, investments, health outcomes, education outcomes, etc because the figures are not even 'real'. So this means your economy is un-proven and skeptical and not predictable, this can mean multinationals deem it a 'risk' with investment when there is no reliable data to review and compare they're investment decisions on.

I hope PL doesn't take this route, but knowing the society, values, culture, landheernimo, langaab, and all this 'archaic' tribal left over shit in our society, it's very probable our figures will be 'fudged' following the Somaliland model because PL hasn't agreed to what 'idealogy' to apply to government. They refuse the scientific system, they prefer the 'odayaal la iibsado' system.

This is great for 4 years but it won't leave a 30 year legacy like Siyad Barre did who followed 'scientific socialism'. I am saying lets follow some 'science' and argue about the idealogy later like scientific islamism, scientific secularism, capitalism, socialism. This is all just people 'desires' but the actual 'science' part ma aha 'desirekooda' waa 'xaqiq' weeye wa sidu aduunka uu shaqayo, waana sidu decision loo gaadho. The other optin is an un-scientific society like Djibout, dictatorship, possibly weak institutions and relying on 'foreign investments' at their port. 3k GDP per capita for life, that's the outcome u get when u don't follow science wallahi u become poor, no-one trusts u, etc.

SirLancelLord said:

@DR OSMAN I'm sorry you lack the brain cells.

Those 2 post on election, one is dated 2003 while the other is 2010. You do know that the whole population don't vote especially in 2003 when cities were half the size they are now and 2010 when there was instability in the east.

Both these elections were monitored and managed by the IC so don't slander what you don't know

Don't talk about creating fake numbers and doc when you're admin was caught many times doing that.

There's a reason why you're admin till now has not gathered any data on anything

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They have full turn outs in SL(samosa triangle area and awdal), so don't try the only 50% voted while 50% stayed at home nonsense or as faysal ali waraabe tried 'miyiga bay ku maqan yihin dadkeeni kale'.

SL is a tribally charged and emotionally fuelled CULT and they vote along emotional lines, which is good because their brain cells isn't making any rational decision just like u refused to see the stupidity in your defense argument by criticising the huge deviation in voter numbers over that 7 year period(2003-2010) because u probably don't understand basic maths.

Your trying to convince a grown man that SL grew by half a million people over a 7 years, that's just fucking brilliant mathamatically speaking and explaining this sort of data to the world with such radical deviation without looking like an 'id33r' in front of them is going to be especially hard. Regions don't grow by half a million for over 50 years and u managed to squeeze it into 5 years.

All the ppl born in a given year replace all the people who died in a given year(birth vs mortality), population shouldn't shift half a million in 7 years if I know your birth and death rate we can predict your yearly growth and then 5 year growth from 2003 up untill 2010.

How do u explain half a million were added into SL during the years of 2003-2010 while there was no large immigration during that period and even if there was it's still not a plausible answer since non natives can't vote anyways and we are talking about your 'voter' registerations here meaning 'natives'.

Sit down boy your regional figures for the voting segment of 18-80 year bracket is 500k(all over Somaliland 5 regions including hartis who don't vote though and only 1% represented).

The only lee-way I will give u is your below 18 segment population hasn't been counted, disabled(unknown figure), real elderly(a few hundred).

@Crow I hope PL does democracy better then this 'shit fest' in SL, if we have that sort of democracy that isn't mathamatically justifiable, it could lead to a collapse of the whole administration.

@SirLancelLord at least criticize my 'essay or bipolar' not my actual 'content' and what I have to say. That's when u look real stupid. Either adopt the essay insult of the 'mentally challenged Somalis' or adopt the character assasination insult of 'the rest of the crowd'. But don't u dare BOY actually 'critique' what I wrote, your not a TEERI ALPHA, he comes the damn closest and I give credit where credit is due.

SirLancelLord said:

You're argument still is as rubbish as you saying PL is 5 million

From analysing the numbers from 2003 2010 2012 & 2017 elections they all have different numbers of registered voters

Only 700k registered to vote in 2017 due to droughts and and half of that was in Hargeisa Region

The population of Somaliland from Lawyo caddo to the Garowe butter is between 2 to 2.5 million

HGA - 900K
Burco - 500K
Berbera 100K
Borama 250K
Laascaanood 200K
Ergivo 200K

This 3.5mn is bull and was based on an old UN estimate

Look at you're own administration that doesn't record any data so all of you just speculate about everything thinking you guys are the richest most developed based on doctored estimates.

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I already know the size of Isaaq it's 300k period. @Bohol Showed it already the clan distribution which looks more REALISTIC to me not 1 million Isaaq u gotta be kidding.

The reason your self-inflating these figures is you assume you will get more economic aid and this is problematic, because that aid will just end up dead in waste because whats the point of investing 100 trillion dollars into Hargeisa when there is no 'economic sense' because the companies will ask you where is the DEMAND WARYAA, I want customers and when he sees you can't bring them and fudged figures, they cut their losses immediately before the losses increase and your black listed in the world and relegated to charity organizations.

I would highly recommend you come up real figures niyahow, u need to or else u can't prove the investment is worth it to anyone who need data. This is infact the EDGE I want to lure foreign investors to PL sayin all SL/HAMAR is not real 'science' based so dont invest you wont see a return for your investment. To prove a return on investment u need real NUMBERS not cooked up shit. That was my point of the thread to make investors RUN FROM SOMALILAND

SirLancelLord said:

It's 2020 we don't look at tribes and SOMALILAND is not like PL who base there borders on tribes.

When you collect data then you'll know the truth.

http://www.somalilandcsd.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Somaliland-infigures-2017.pdf

When you're doing better, you get hate from all sides

We're currently undergoing reform after years of bad management under Kulmiye. PL couldve used this time to develop and such trade dependency the other way round. But are moving into protectionism as they can't compete

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You don't get the scientific method do you? you wonder why I am using it right? cause I know u don't get it and when competing, I am using a guranteed formula for success, your using 'opinions'. What are those 'somaliland statistics' based on, more 'cooking the numbers'? if u dont show how u collected those figures and methodology or formulas, then it's all made up and unrealiable. The first thing u need to do in scientific method is prove your methodology is reliable looooooooool, what is your methodology? u don't even have one meaning 'cooked up id22r junky opinion'

The reason u make it up, is u fail to grasp how to apply the scientific method to Somaliland, waa 'nidaam' niyahow that u must 'follow'. If I see Lander using that shit on the international stage or with donors I can easily descredit it by declaring how do we know these are not cooked up figures? where is the source or methodology or formulas used? U know where the source for your statistics come from? the source is from SL ministry lol, I just proved your ministries are corrupt by demonstrating u cook up voter registration so all your statistics must be unreliable also.

nomand said:

@DR OSMAN sometimes you create interesting threads and this is one of them,

i have done my own research and i have compared two cities

hargeysa and luton (england)

the land hargeysa sits in 57 km square and the land luton sits on is 57 km square also

population of luton is 211228

here is my evidence

you can even see that the population density luton is more as it as more highrrises(flats)and connected houses (terraces) while hargeysa has bungalows and villas. so even for arguments sake lets say hargeysa population density is twice that of luton it would still be around the 400k number and not the fake 1 million number people like to say.

even mogadishu does not have 1 million people. Btw I am not attacking reer hargeysa just pointing out the fake numbers. I would also say the biggest city in puntland probably does not have a population over 100k

The birth rate of somalia is 3 times that of england but they way somalis plan cities and construct them (villas and bangalows) it means per square km there are less houses then in england.

But the household numbers per house in somalia is more, therefore my conclusion would be hargeysa has twice the number of people then Luton.

Therefore the real population of hargeysa is 420k

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If u go to tokyo you can cover it so quickly like 'qardho' very small land space weeye but large population it's called density, same with manhattan high density weeye lakin small land area, etc. But the town I am in, wallahi it's massive in satellite foot print but the population is nothing like tokyo, its only 300k.

I let them argue with satellite images they don't realize how unreliable it is to determine population, let them stay on that while we develop our GUNS on them using proper science. Nigga go inspect hargeisa water supply, intasi ayaa kugu filan, we can find out the formula of how large a city is based on their water supply. Sheekada waa Sheeko xiiran, he can't argue against his own water supply in the town. Large cities require larger water supply. We can also check his 'electricity' plant and how much 'generators' there is and the 'coverage' it has. We can determine quickly what Hargeisa population is.

What's even more reliable tell them to list Isaaq clan and we can find how many 'laan' there is and trust me there isn't much, which means their is only 'reero' not 'branches' or 'sub branches'. A large clan will have heirachy of branches, sub branches, and then more sub branches. A small clan stops with 1 laan and no more branches, waa langaab niyahow that is the origin ask @Jablibax

nomand said:

tokyo is massive sxb

size of greater tokyo is 13,555.65 square kilometres

the above image is to show how massive greater tokyo is when compared to england. You can use google earth to estimate population size but then you take into account if there are high risers(flats) and terrace houses.

somalia has bangalows and villas so houses per sq KM is less then that of tokyo or london, but household numbers per house is more in somalia so if you take everything into account then all you need to do is compare the size of your city to that of in lets say england then multiply by 1.5 or 2 and you will have your real number.

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I mean proper TOKYO the real one not the expanded one. Proper Mogadishu wala yaqana, hadu shabellaha gaadho it's greater mogadishu, but we still know the REAL MOGADISHU.

Real Tokyo is tiny bro, people live on top of each other kkkk, there is no space. Does Sade support 'delimiting' mogadishu growth so local clans nearby don't get furious their land is becoming PUBLIC.

I say set 'federal territory zone' for it like our capital in Australia has, ma soo 'xad gudbi karo' kkkkk. This will ensure the 'economy' of hamar dies and more economic activity relocates to the region because there is no space in proper hamar.

Arimaha statuska mogadishu ayaa loo dharsan yahay in laga hadlo which hawiye niggas r ducking, we got our GUNS LOADED but their ducking 'hawiye diyaar ma aha' how long is diyaarinaysa u nigga, wallahi they will get murdered by puntite academics hadi LIVE TV LOO FARISTO ARIMAHA SIYASADA, they avoid it at all cost, they know their situation isnt good

@nomand U know where we 'screwed' up politically not re-aligning our capital to the important 'strategic' areas of the world. The reasoning for this by putting our capital where the 'world trade is happening' they won't risk playing 'geopolitics' and have it spill over to their 'world trade interest'.

However Mogadishu still think it's relevant in the grand scheme of the world, nah nothing is harmed by the world by 'testing and foreign interference' in Hamar, it serves no real geopolitical threat other then disabling the whole nation but outside our nation wallahi no-one is losing sleep over that place, the trade life-line isn't the 'south' anymore, that was the old 'arab order' and that is gone today.

We failed to adapt with the ever changing world. AAR haku ciyaareen 'djibouti' because they know the serious repercussion to their own 'interests'. AAR haku ciyaareen 'singapore' wuxu is 'dhigay' meel ay aduunka dhan khatar ama 'fa'ido' uu noqon karta so they don't become like a mogadishu where it serves no real geopolitical threat to any nation in the world hence foreign meddlers are given the 'green card' to go ALL OUT and the only one paying for it is HAWIYE who is an un-united clan which makes it even worse and easier to manipulate but nah u won't listen u will revert to that good old african brain 'wuxu raba casimadi inu qabilkisa uu wareejiyo and sheet'

CirJiid said:

Now do that for 12 Sqkm bosaaso, 4sq in lascanod, 8 SQ km kismayo, 8 SQ km Garowe and 2sq km badhan. That's 34sqkm total. I'll wait for your scientifik abbroach

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The town I live in Australia it's land size and satellite imagery is
800 km square in size yet the Population is 300k.

While Manhattan is 59 sq km land size yet the population is 2 million

This debunks your theory large cities are determined by land mass or satellite imagery. But u keep returning to the same point making you look like u don't understand 'your theory' has been debunked and u need to come up with another one not circulate on a 'dead idea'.

I even gave u head start on a New Idea and Test to satisfy all Somalis on population

1. Measure each city water supply, count how many wells in Hargeisa and we can apply the formula of how large the town is based on it's water supply
2. Measure how many Electricity generators there are and how many mega watts is supplied to the city this can also tell u how big a town is

There is much more reliable methods then just posting a satellite imagery, you will look honestly stupid coming to a real discussion with that, I am saving u the 'grief'

CirJiid said:

Now do that for 12 Sqkm bosaaso, 4sq in lascanod, 8 SQ km kismayo, 8 SQ km Garowe and 2sq km badhan. That's 34sqkm total, a little more than half size of ur conservative hargeisa map. I'll wait for your scientifik abbroach

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I also have other issues with Hargeisa what is percentage of Isaaq is another factor to consider with large Oromo hordes. The other thing that doesn't make sense is why does your region get more 'aid'? if your larger in population, u would think you would be less aid dependant. That is food for thought. There must be a reason why the world dumps more aid into you might be because u can't keep afloat a government with your meagre population and economy and why your people flee for better life to garowe and hamar.