Nimco Ali on a ‘Election blind date’

Kanini said:

Not really, i've never seen this as my country, just a place that I grew up in. I claim Somalia first.
We're all just lucky we have the same rights as everyone else and our opinions are allowed to be heard.

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We don’t have the exact same rights. Neither do they. For example if we commit certain crimes we can lose our passport and sent to our original country. True Englishman or American can’t. Just as we have that jihadi bride stuck in Syria, the Americans have same situation with a girl born in America. They also refused her to come back. Also add they can’t even have relatives to come over it becomes clear.

AussieHustler said:

@error

To Somalis, your qabiil is more important than being a Somali. Do you think @Jiron will have the same voice in Puntland and Somaliland than he does in Bay or in Seattle?

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True but that is an flaw, tribalism is an issue which needs to be resolved.

But I will leave Sweden if I have guaranteed security and a foundation in somalia. Immigrants will probably be kicked out in the next decades anyway in Sweden because Alternative for Sweden is getting lots of traction.

@Jaydaan

How did you get the citizenship? You promised or swore to defend the country from enemies internally and externally. If you become a jihadi, you broke your oath and should be kicked out. Would Somalis in Somalia tolerate such a person?

@error

What do you mean a flaw? I will excuse you since you’re a Swede, but believe me, very few Somalis will return back permanently and the majority will stay put in the West. Better adopt to what can make you a successful Swedish Somali, because if you go back, you will only be someone in your clan enclave. But as a successful Swede Somali, you can move around the country without your identity being diluted.

Jaydaan said:

We don’t have the exact same rights. Neither do they. For example if we commit certain crimes we can lose our passport and sent to our original country. True Englishman or American can’t. Just as we have that jihadi bride stuck in Syria, the Americans have same situation with a girl born in America. They also refused her to come back. Also add they can’t even have relatives to come over it becomes clear.

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Ohh you're right, I didn't take that into account.

AussieHustler said:

@Jaydaan

How did you get the citizenship? You promised or swore to defend the country from enemies internally and externally. If you become a jihadi, you broke your oath and should be kicked out. Would Somalis in Somalia tolerate such a person?

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Exactly and you just agreed with me. We are accepted citizens based on conditions. Not exactly like native citizens which is the true people of the country. Be honest how often do white Australian ask you where you from? We are guests with a lot of rights. I’m grateful offcourse, but I would never call myself Swedish

@Jaydaan

Europe is for the Europeans, but Australia, America and Canada are indigenous tribal lands that was stolen from them by the British and since independent nations were declared on these lands, they accepted us to legitimise their nations. Does that explanation help you to understand it.

You became Swedish not by becoming a terrorist, but fighting terrorism and safeguarding the peace of every Swedish citizen. You didn’t understand the conditions for your citizenship.

AussieHustler said:

@error

To Somalis, your qabiil is more important than being a Somali. Do you think @Jiron will have the same voice in Puntland and Somaliland than he does in Bay or in Seattle?

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Yes, not with the older generation but those born post civil war. With technology, the young generation are able to see how the world functions and they want to be part of it. With someone like myself who isn't too privy on qabiil/qabyaalad, I hope to come in, empower those bright minds and show them the way

Jaydaan said:

We don’t have the exact same rights. Neither do they. For example if we commit certain crimes we can lose our passport and sent to our original country. True Englishman or American can’t. Just as we have that jihadi bride stuck in Syria, the Americans have same situation with a girl born in America. They also refused her to come back. Also add they can’t even have relatives to come over it becomes clear.

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Yeah this is news to me, we have the exact same rights on paper. The Shamima begum case is controversial because no one wants to take her back for obvious reason, they've taken back other IS supporters but this idiot got public and she has a chance of becoming a Bangladeshi citizen so they put her up for grabs.

Jaydaan said:

We don’t have the exact same rights. Neither do they. For example if we commit certain crimes we can lose our passport and sent to our original country. True Englishman or American can’t. Just as we have that jihadi bride stuck in Syria, the Americans have same situation with a girl born in America. They also refused her to come back. Also add they can’t even have relatives to come over it becomes clear.

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Jaydaan as much as I like you, I have to totally disagree with your statement. Here's why, here in the United Kingdom you have the same rights as every British Citizen. However, if a British Citizen commits terrorism offences they will get their passport and citizenship revoked which is what we had seen in the last 9 months with regards to the cases of Shamima Begum and Jack Letts . Furthermore, a similar case had occurred in the United States in regards to a woman who is the daughter of a Yemeni diplomat who was brought up in the U.S and she got her American citizenship revoked. Overall, I 100% agree with the actions of the Home Office in the United Kingdom and the U.S government's Homeland Security and other federal agencies in regards to those matters .