Mathamatics Questions

DR OSMAN · Nov 20, 2019

@RasCanjero I became an evolutionist when one my friends who studies biology just said come to my 'lab' during lunch break and showed me all the anatomy of various animals and humans. He said what the f*ck wud u say if u say all the similarities of our bones, eyes, brains, hearts, ribs. He said there is little 'variation' of different in our physical construct. I said, thank u. I am an evolutionist. I am related to a monkey but not a monkey, abbe ayaa noo dhaxayo oo keenayso similarityga badan. Where-as lions are bit more distant. He said land animals are closer to each other then 'marine' animals but at the end of the day we all go back to that 'plate of soup' which is like that puddle u see in somalia where bacteria grows, that's our story looooooooool on our side of RELATIVE TIME, it could be different story for GOD side of time and space as he can 'observe' it differently.

That's why I want to make Somalia science based culture not @Cognitivedissonance mythological shit. you cant create a society on myth and not 'daleel' and 'evidence' and 'scientific thinking', that society can't progress they will become like 'voodoo doctors' in african villages living in mythology which is what ISLAMIST WANT FOR MUSLIMS.

Ras · Nov 20, 2019

DR OSMAN said:
@RasCanjero It's the strongest theory I've seen that is observable that life forms from 'water' and elements such as bacteria. I support the 'soup' theory for life origin. What about you? I am however careful to realize 'time' is relative as Einstein taught, so maybe god did create us as he said in the quran on his side of 'time' but not on our side of 'time and space' looooooool cause we know non living matter like clay has no possibility of life. But I also do respect that we turn into 'soil' eventually thru 'time degradation of our bones as it breaks down in structure over millions of years. Lots of people of lived on 'earth' yet we find not much remains lol, their apart of the SOIL you walk on. Unless they were lucky and conserved thru some pure luck chance like in 'ice' or 'cave' or the place they live was the right temperature. We have to remember the different climates earth went thru, all previous signs of human or any life may have disappeared lol. So the story of the earth is a complex one that needs careful analysis on various 'factors'

Don't have any clue about the study of our abiogenesis.

However here's what I do believe:

Earth's the only place with life in the universe as far as we know so it has to be ultra rare
Because of that it couldn't have arrived from space (panspermia) since there are a trillion planets in our galaxy with all sorts of conditions where life could've flourished in...But it didn't

Other than that I don't have any other opinion since the science is still so nascent.

We only started studying earth sciences and molecular chemistry in the past century.

Unfortunately all our geniuses are flocking to math and not the other "lower" sciences lol.

Inshallah once we have a quantum computer we should be able to simulate all sorts of chemical states and try and recreate a state where chemistry turns into biology.

We still don't have a Mathematical model for chemistry...

Ras · Nov 20, 2019

DR OSMAN said:
@RasCanjero I became an evolutionist when one my friends who studies biology just said come to my 'lab' during lunch break and showed me all the anatomy of various animals and humans. He said what the f*ck wud u say if u say all the similarities of our bones, eyes, brains, hearts, ribs. He said there is little 'variation' of different in our physical construct. I said, thank u. I am an evolutionist. I am related to a monkey but not a monkey, abbe ayaa noo dhaxayo oo keenayso similarityga badan. Where-as lions are bit more distant. He said land animals are closer to each other then 'marine' animals but at the end of the day we all go back to that 'plate of soup' which is like that puddle u see in somalia where bacteria grows, that's our story looooooooool on our side of RELATIVE TIME, it could be different story for GOD side of time and space as he can 'observe' it differently.

That's why I want to make Somalia science based culture not @Cognitivedissonance mythological shit. you cant create a society on myth and not 'daleel' and 'evidence' and 'scientific thinking', that society can't progress they will become like 'voodoo doctors' in african villages living in mythology which is what ISLAMIST WANT FOR MUSLIMS.

One thing that made me an evolutionists is the concept of the arrow of time and how deterministic everything is.

If you turn back the clock you can easily visualize how everything and every action is related to each other.

DR OSMAN · Nov 20, 2019

RasCanjero said:
One thing that made me an evolutionists is the concept of the arrow of time and how deterministic everything is.

If you turn back the clock you can easily visualize how everything and every action is related to each other.

Yeah my friend said biologist group all animals based on how similar they are in physical 'traits' when they take apart their 'body'. We are in the 'primate' group since we are closer to each other then say the 'lion group' but we are closer to the lion group because we share more similarities then the 'fish' group. He said it's basically like big evolutionary tree, the differences are only minor 'mutuations' which has been explained with 'environmental' changes triggering mutuations like when some people get hot, they go 'red' while others 'don't'. He said mutations of our traits are highly 'individualistic' not group orientated, the theory is some of the ones who survived got lucky and mutuated to survive the environment and reproduce while the others just 'perished' as their trait wasn't useful for survival.

Yeah I am evolutionist untill of course I see a new theory that is stronger. We haven't seen one for 200 years to replace Charles Darwin accept of course the usual 'shaydhan weeye' @Cognitivedissonance and as you know personal beliefs or opinions or abuse isn't science

I do read Charles Darwin paper just to see how he 'spotted' this and what sort of thinking style he applied so I can 'adapt' my mind to it. We need to steal each other thinking styles and mutuate our brains to look at problems differently. I better close my laptop when cognissive is around when my laptop has PDF up of chares darwin origin of life, he will say KITABKISA WAA CHARLES DARWIN KAFFIRKA KKKKK

DR OSMAN · Nov 20, 2019

Me, @RasCanjero @PhySom are trying to adapt to the 21st century knowledge economy in our respective regions. Me for Garowe. Physon for Badhan. Not sure where @ras is from. And then this backward piece of shit is sitting outside our labs wanting to send us back to the 15 century.

They exist in all societies it's not just Islam. It's called religious regression, they feel their lies on society will be exposed thru experimentation and proof. Even Americans do that shit bombing abortion clinics in the 80s lol. People are quite 'religiously' charged up and there is no place for religion in science we are talking about the physical world not your BELIEF

Come on boys let kick start the scientific revolution in Somalia. Lets bring them up to their peers in the world and not this poverty they live in due to ignorance. They shud be learning equations at 5 years old like they learn quran

Ras · Nov 20, 2019

DR OSMAN said:
Me, @RasCanjero @PhySom are trying to adapt to the 21st century knowledge economy in our respective regions. Me for Garowe. Physon for Badhan. Not sure where @ras is from. And then this backward piece of shit is sitting outside our labs wanting to send us back to the 15 century.

They exist in all societies it's not just Islam. It's called religious regression, they feel their lies on society will be exposed thru experimentation and proof. Even Americans do that shit bombing abortion clinics in the 80s lol. People are quite 'religiously' charged up and there is no place for religion in science we are talking about the physical world not your BELIEF

Come on boys let kick start the scientific revolution in Somalia. Lets bring them up to their peers in the world and not this poverty they live in due to ignorance. They shud be learning equations at 5 years old like they learn quran

I'm fairly sure that we had plenty of inquisitive minds in Somalia for hundreds of years.

We were isolated from the world but I'm sure we generated ideas and inventions organically by ourselves.

However what happens when some group wants to rule using religion get a hold of these writings and inventors?

They probably burned it all and beheaded the minds who could've built better weapons and defences for their bases.

Anything they couldn't understand was put to the torch in case it threatened their rule.

I bet we had a group like this come along every hundred years or so and clean up any progress we made in the sciences.

Any knowledge from the east and north first was filtered through them.

This is the main reason why we were so behind the West last century.

If we just had a century of stability they would've arrived in an Africa that spoke Somali.

Ras · Nov 20, 2019

Now that I think if it... We Muslims cover the continent of Africa from its west coast to the Swahili coasts.

Any knowledge had to go through power hungry fundies that ruled the Berbers, Egyptians, Omanis, Tigrayans and us.

Anything that hurt their influence was removed from distribution.

Always found it weird why North Africans were so backwards when they've been exposed to information coming out of Europe way before even the Romans.

The Arabs even conquered Spain and build the most advanced castles.

Why wasn't this knowledge passed down to Berbers then Tuaregs and the rest of Africa through them?

Yahya · Nov 20, 2019

RasCanjero said:
I'm fairly sure that we had plenty of inquisitive minds in Somalia for hundreds of years.

We were isolated from the world but I'm sure we generated ideas and inventions organically by ourselves.

However what happens when some group wants to rule using religion get a hold of these writings and inventors?

They probably burned it all and beheaded the minds who could've built better weapons and defences for their bases.

Anything they couldn't understand was put to the torch in case it threatened their rule.

I bet we had a group like this come along every hundred years or so and clean up any progress we made in the sciences.

Any knowledge from the east and north first was filtered through them.

This is the main reason why we were so behind the West last century.If we just had a century of stability they would've arrived in an Africa that spoke Somali.

I agree with most of what you said. I sometimes wonder. What would somali land mass look like? if we kept expanding and the europeans didn't come to colonise africa at the time which we were slowly moving towards mozambique and down the east african coast.

We were allies with the ottomans and had the arabs not aided the british in destroying the empire, perhaps they could have helped us develop and we could have industrilaised faster.

Ras · Nov 20, 2019

Yahya said:
I agree with most of what you said. I sometimes wonder. What would somali land mass look like? if we kept expanding and the europeans didn't come to colonise africa at the time which we were slowly moving towards mozambique and down the east african coast.

We were allies with the ottomans and had the arabs not aided the british in destroying the empire, perhaps they could have helped us develop and we could have industrilaised faster.

I doubt the Ottomans would've wanted us to develop.

They probably were interested in annexing us but thought it wasn't a priority and too much of a hassle since the habeshi were an obstacle to ruling the region up to Egypt.

We should probably thank the enemies we were fighting with the Turks for putting up a good fight since it put the Ottomans off from conquering the whole area.

Yahya · Nov 20, 2019

RasCanjero said:
I doubt the Ottomans would've wanted us to develop.

They probably were interested in annexing us but thought it wasn't a priority and too much of a hassle since the habeshi were an obstacle to ruling the region up to Egypt.

We should probably thank the enemies we were fighting with the Turks for putting up a good fight since it put the Ottomans off from conquering the whole area.

That's the issue here. Somalis lacked the unity, leadership and foresight to aspire to build a more long lasting empire for themselves. I doubt they would refuse money in exchange for weapons or us hiring their skilled workers to help us build infrastructure until we could learn for ourselves. Somalis didn't need to rely on anyone if they used their brains and learned from others. However somalis at that time period even when faced with the threat of invasion from an enemy didn't think to arm themselves and develop so that they could defend themselves from any attack.

Ras · Nov 20, 2019

Yahya said:
That's the issue here. Somalis lacked the unity, leadership and foresight to aspire to build a more long lasting empire for themselves. I doubt they would refuse money in exchange for weapons or us hiring their skilled workers to help us build infrastructure until we could learn for ourselves. Somalis didn't need to rely on anyone if they used their brains and learned from others. However somalis at that time period even when faced with the threat of invasion from an enemy didn't think to arm themselves and develop so that they could defend themselves from any attack.

We had plenty of smart people but our environment and culture worked against us having a chance to develop a civilization.

We had plenty of kingdoms but we're not able to raise a large permanent military force because we couldn't feed them.

We had farms in the South but the yields were so shit that you couldn't use it to build a large settlement.

However if we had better weapons then we could've conquered large settlements in the South east Africa or Ethiopia and build a kingdom there... This is why the Adal kingdom was able to stick around.

Unfortunately our fundies probably burned all knowledge that wasn't the Kitab and we weren't able to pass down knowledge.

Technology like weapons are built on top of other knowledge.

We probably had to restart civilization every time a marauding new Islamic sect passed by the region.

DR OSMAN · Nov 20, 2019

@PhySom I am trying to 'figure' out Laws. Remember the general rule 'law' must be applicable all over the universe. Example 'air' isn't a law. It's an 'element' of earth, it doesn't exist beyond the universe. Current laws I know thru basic observation is. Time/Space/Gravity/Energy. That is quite clear it's observable here and anywhere in the universe. I think their is other laws quantum but I am not that knowledgeable about what Quantum is.

Elements of Earth include 'biology' since there is no proof of life on other planets, so it's not a law, well not yet until we find proof. Their looking for water as that's the first indicator 'organism' can develop. They say their some 'water' on planets so their may have been life in the past, but as of yet there is no evidence of 'current' life. I would like to see evidence of fossils if they argue water existed in the past in some planets. It depends highly on the angle of the sun and planet and orbit for life. The other thing I want an answer for is don't u need 'oxygen' for life to breath? so this must be another key factor to consider when examining for conditions for life on other planet.

You are awfully quiet sxb, surely you can't be doing your project this long?

DR OSMAN · Nov 21, 2019

@PhySom I am more interested in the 'earth' sciences even though I find 'universe' science fascinating as a hobby, it's hard to prove and test, maybe someone in the future can come along and pick up the theory, but it won't be provable for centuries untill the world has the mechanism to 'observe and test it'. We need to focus on 'earth' sciences especially around Earth mathamatics, structures of elements, relationships, conditions(heat and cold), reactions, begin creating new innovations. Remember the law of science everything around you is 'energy' so you can 'reconvert' it to something else and produce something out of it. Like a 'Seed' can create 'vegetable' it's transformable.

I must say I have personal 'fetish' with 'security innovation' like 'weaponry' because I feel 'security' is the 'paramount' priority for my 'region' before 'development'. There no point developing if you can't protect it, you feel me? or you become 1988 Hargeisa lol. What courses are available do you think for mathamatics towards the side of 'tech n weapons'. I want 100 students from PL brightest to be spent for these training so we have the knowledge capital, securing funds shall be easier as it will mean 'trade' which is as ancient as 'pharoah' times it's not a new science.

DR OSMAN · Nov 21, 2019

@PhySom this is me in the lab what is driving me purely is 'puntland power'. I have energy, motive, and desire to 'succeed'. My brain will work 'over-time' walle because what people lack in academia is 'drive' looooooool. When u find what 'drives' you, your going to succeed.

Me in Garowe 'awoowe bah dubays' this for you and what u did for me, I won't let down beesha

While this nigga @Cognitivedissonance @Omar del Sur is stuck following the idealogy of 15th century culture. Their actually reading books by these 'superstitious' people. They love baghdad bob shit wallahi

DR OSMAN · Nov 21, 2019

That's me in the future as I come to Hamar and see your futo @PhySom and all the hawiyes AS I know my somalis nation state seat is in UN and it hasn't got PL name on it, I will ensure that seat is governed from Garowe at all times, how we manage our seat internally isn't any other nation business it's our sovereign right to make it a federation as long as we dont disturb geopolitics and ask for more seats and nation states in the UN as that can have flow on effect to world stability, we dont want a vacum anywhere in the world but structured world of borders and nation states. I majerten first at heart and set up the training institutes to ensure our 'security' innovation is the no 1. I will give u that 'suspicious' look at how to 'eliminate' beeshina thru science and observation. It's all about qabil for me sxb, I love m my awooweyaal and I need knowledge to make sure they succeed. I have my 'driver' DO U

DR OSMAN · Nov 21, 2019

What's the mathamatical equations behind flight god dammit @PhySom. We need to know the maths behind flight and 'coordinates' next. Payload will be 'easy' as it will be guided by 'coordinates' mathamatics.

I know the challenges facing flight maths.

Mass of the plane(weight), the payload(passengers not weapons), 'gravity' calculations. We need knowledge around 'kinetic' energy in another sequence to allow for 'travel'. So get to work waryaa don't sit here talking to me about your project. Everything in the world is mathamatical the question is how to create something from it or achieve something. Other puntites are hard at work studying chemistry field so we understand the 'elements' so we need these guys to list a library of elements in the world ma garatay and we test and try which element is needed in our mathamatical 'sequences'. Remember maths is 'structured' bro and step by step like 'recipe' if u miss one 'step' it could result in miscalculation god dammit and we could end up with failure. Ensure all the elements are 'measured' for quantity and weight and in precise quantities using 'measuring' apparatus. One little small step out of measurement can result in an explosion..

I am sick of Makhiris who seem to not compete who have the same 'history' as PL, u started a sultanates just like we did, I can understand the other clans falling behind like 'id22r' being under military general rule sent to wars and shit and hawiye under italian administrators. No excuse for Makhiris/Puntites, we should be ushering in the age of 'science' so we begin the scientific sultanate era in Somalia while these nigga stuck in baghdad bob media sheet. We studying from nobel prize winners not shitty professors who contributed nothing to their field lol.

This is how I look at Makhir who has fallen behind bro, it makes no mathamatical sense at all since we started the same knowledge era of 'governance', we should be at the same level of ushering 'scientific' era while Somalis just copy n paste us.

DR OSMAN · Nov 21, 2019

This is how they say the universe started.

The universe was in an ungoverned 'space' and 'energy' exploded to create the 'space' we are in which is our 'universe'. There is the parralel theory also. Some ppl think there is 'beginning and end' no there isn't, we are in continous 'space' after 'space' and their could be other 'energy' starting other universes as we speak or their could be other parrelel universes who started before us.

That's 'speculation'. What isn't speculation how-ever is the 'expanding' universe, the 'actual' space you see is moving lol, that's what I read but I haven't 'verified' how they 'proved that'. I think we are in universe within other universes and the possibility is endless universes no beginning or end, one universe may collapse but there other universes in existence continuing. One planet may collapse doesn't mean our whole universe collapses does it? I see the universe structure in similar way, just because our universe disappears, doesn't mean others will. Mind u this is 'theory' I can't test it at all or i would require i 'escape' my universe to 'find mathamatical constructs' cause this world is written with numbers niyahow not 'opinions, or fkd' it's designed to smallest level grain to the biggest level universe

DR OSMAN · Nov 21, 2019

What was before time/space comes down to 'faith' for me as it's not testable as there is no 'maths' available to use as a theorem to test. Yes u can suggest 'theorems' but that's like suggesting monarchy, democracy, dictatorship to Somalia as a 'structure of governance' doesn't mean this is testable to see w hat they choose? it's all 'guesses' of what's probable. I see the same for things that discuss what came before god or what came before the universe, it's really a silly question to ask. The only thing I can say is there is no 'description' that I have seen to describe 'nothingness'. The closest I came to describe it is when ur in 'deep sleep' your in a state of nothing, there is no way to test or measure such existence. To ask someone to do the same about what was before time/space is similar. But one thing I do know when someone is asked to display 'nothing' he can't because when he tries to it becomes 'something'. He can use words like 'absence of something' or the 'absence of laws, time, space' but he cannot 'display' it because in maths it has to be 'testable and displayed' or else it's just a nice theory and belief.

They can demonstrate the 'state' of nothingness. They can only theorize what it is. f*ck that. That's belief then like religion not science. I want to know the 'state' of nothingness take away the universe what is gonna happen, tell me that 'state' u see why I reject 'zero' because it's the same thing u can't point t o anything to show 'zero' lol. Logically nothing doesnt create something. So even logic refuses. The idea 'something' existed prior to the universe is the best model I seen like parralel universes or even GOD @Cognitivedissonance. I am stuck between those two BELIEFS. I have chosen god for 'personal' reasons only not 'scientific'.

DR OSMAN · Nov 21, 2019

I find 'earth' based sciences far more intriguing as it's testable and can confirm or reject my beliefs of the universe. The earth is a clue to 'origins' of life and maybe my 'purpose' in life. Universal type of science is great theory work and possibly true but it takes decades or centuries to prove or actually 'experience'. Besides that, I want to know how 'energy' converts into such different states, the laws behind it or sequences and steps needed cause we are literally made up of the same ingredients of stars and planets non living matter. Obviously the sequence would be 'planets and stars' and from there u may get life on a planet if their lucky and aligned correctly to a 'star' to heat it up, from there I get lost how all the elements and conditions begin for life. From there rain begins and general plant life. The non living matter would've of come first is my opinion lke rocks or stones as we need an 'earth' first to live in. Life would be much later down the story of earth story and then u need to separate life as land and sea creatures and find more correlations and 'traits' between them, their all family lol thans 'charles darwin' oops islamist cognissive. Some Modern Islamist argue that evolution is true and say god made us of similar materials and that's why their similar traits but we r separately unique. Some argue we all family with animals like darwinist say but argue what makes us unique is 'knowledge of god and our souls' which animals lack

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