Why some nations fail and others succeed

VixR said:

^^ To my understanding, this all but means that in yet another way, the clan system has fucked Somalis eternally.

They’re basically saying what you really need is a reigning 1, and everyone else to be demoted to .5 (which I’m learning is code for Bantus)

But then again, attempted subjugation which royally backfired is what lead to this 30 year failed-state humiliation mode the country is currently undergoing.

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.5 is not a code word for bantu, it is for minority clans like ree hamar, bantu, madhibaans, yibirs etc...

Somali politics is a zero sum politics, and the 4.5 system , as unfair as it is, mitigates that. Under this system, none of the major clans hold all the power, hence no big clan can go chimp again like the last government which lead to the civil war.

These minorities clans arent murdered or abused, they just aren't well represented. Compare that to when they were murdered and abused in the 90s, and you will realize things are better today, far from acceptable, but so much better.

The goal is to move forward, bit by bit, and Somalis are extremely difficult people.

Centralism will not come back, at least not now, or in the near future because if it does, you can bet on that government going trigger happy and targeting other clans, and you can 100% bet on clans uprisiup like they did in the 80s and 90s.

Someone mentioned IQ and he is right.

Less than 70 years ago, 80% of Somalis would have been animal herders, that jungle mentality will take time to disappear.

VixR said:

^^ To my understanding, this all but means that in yet another way, the clan system has fucked Somalis eternally.

They’re basically saying what you really need is a reigning 1, and everyone else to be demoted to .5 (which I’m learning is code for Bantus)

But then again, attempted subjugation which royally backfired is what lead to this 30 year failed-state humiliation mode the country is currently undergoing.

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There is really no easy answer here tbh. Somalia has educated people in the government and my dad was in previous government and had a very high position. People like him and many others knew clan system was holding somalia back. But you cant just eradicate it just like that. When the clan system is so deep with the average person in somalia. Any government who tried to run without it would become very easy to turn the average people against. There are also powerful people who wants to keep the clan system as it benefits them.

I used to talk with my dad a lot and he knew how dangerous this route was. The plan to accommodate clan system now for stability and with education it will be phased out by time also means the ones who wants to keep it now has the upper hand and will argue our whole political system is built on it. So we should embrace it even more. But I do believe with stability there will be more prosperity' and people tend to become more liberal and peace loving wgen they have prosperity

VixR said:

Who volunteers to be .5?

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It's an outdated system that served its purpose during the warlord era, but it should have ended with the TFG period.