FGS ending 4.5. 2021 parliament erases North Mudug & East Sanaag. Secessionists get 50% more seats.

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Shaolin23 said:

f*ck this no way Jubbaland which is one of the most highly populated states will have only 30 mps and Sool and.Sanaag should have the option to join PL or become a state on its own f*ck N&N if this true

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and bohol is telling us its based on population, somalia little does he know has not had an official population county since 1975 because certain tribes did not want to show one man one vote and it will settle the old argument of who is lander once and for all

Teeri-Alpha said:

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and bohol is telling us its based on population, somalia little does he know has not had an official population county since 1975 because certain tribes did not want to show one man one vote and it will settle the old argument of who is lander once and for all

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Dude I can't accept a Smaller population lives in larger land mass, this is unfeasable to the mind. How is it possible this smaller population didn't lose his land to the larger hargeisan population? wax la ibsan kara maba aha. A Nomadic culture no 1 goal is to 'increase' his land so their not locked into one area(drought resistant), the larger the land, the more places he can 'navigate' his livestock. This is common fact. But you can't reach a large land if your smaller clan because your numerical power ensures you can't dislodge larger clans.

That's why Isaaq can never face Majerten face to face, he has to hide 10 isaaq boys inside dhulbahante, this clearly shows you langaab syndrome. Their objective is 'let two lions go at it' and when their both dead, I will move into the empty land. It's langaab policies that have been known for centuries.

DR OSMAN said:

Dude I can't accept a Smaller population lives in larger land mass, this is unfeasable to the mind. How is it possible this smaller population didn't lose his land to the larger hargeisan population? wax la ibsan kara maba aha. A Nomadic culture no 1 goal is to 'increase' his land so their not locked into one area(drought resistant), the larger the land, the more places he can 'navigate' his livestock. This is common fact. But you can't reach a large land if your smaller clan because your numerical power ensures you can't dislodge larger clans.

That's why Isaaq can never face Majerten face to face, he has to hide 10 isaaq boys inside dhulbahante, this clearly shows you langaab syndrome. Their objective is 'let two lions go at it' and when their both dead, I will move into the empty land. It's langaab policies that have been known for centuries.

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War niiyo stop the crying. Forget Majeerteen saxib, Isaaq is bigger than Darood. Don't be mad because you just now realized how tiny your clan is. Be happy you had a good 10 year run with this 4.5 project but it now time for the landheeres to take over.

If true, winners would be majerteen, Abgaal, isaaq and marehan

Losers would be rahenweyn, habar gidir.

But biggest winners will be majerteen they will get bari nugaal and parts of mudug

So probably around 25 mps which I think is more then they have now.

Marehan will have 11 in gedo 5 in Juba hoose and 2 in Juba dexe plus 5 in galgadud/mudug

So that will make it 23 in total.

But question now is how will the .5 be elected?

Won't work. Puntland is the only pro FGS federal state. At least the only functioning one. All they have to say is 'we retreat our support', and it's back to Brussels to come up with a roadmap. NN only conduct cold war against PL, they were never confrontational like HSM. Farmaajo saw how HSMs presidency became a lame duck in his last two years.

nomand said:

If true, winners would be majerteen, Abgaal, isaaq and marehan

Losers would be rahenweyn, habar gidir.

But biggest winners will be majerteen they will get bari nugaal and parts of mudug

So probably around 25 mps which I think is more then they have now.

Marehan will have 11 in gedo 5 in Juba hoose and 2 in Juba dexe plus 5 in galgadud/mudug

So that will make it 23 in total.

But question now is how will the .5 be elected?

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Where are you getting these numbers from

merka said:

War niiyo stop the crying. Forget Majeerteen saxib, Isaaq is bigger than Darood. Don't be mad because you just now realized how tiny your clan is. Be happy you had a good 10 year run with this 4.5 project but it now time for the landheeres to take over.

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Go to Jurile in Bari in google maps and follow it north. Go to Bandar Murcaayo and follow the coast east.

That kind of density is not found anywhere in Somalia outside of Lower Shabelle. Not even in Woqoyie Galbeed.

I might be unaware but when was national census conducted?

I honestly believe we exaggerate our number and the total population might be a fraction of what we estimate.

I hope to god, I witness one man one vote one day

Lower shabelle has over 2 million. It is the most populous region after benaadir. Bay has around 1 million

Thegoodshepherd said:

Go to Jurile in Bari in google maps and follow it north. Go to Bandar Murcaayo and follow the coast east.

That kind of density is not found anywhere in Somalia outside of Lower Shabelle. Not even in Woqoyie Galbeed.

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We already have data on which areas are the densest. Outside of lower shabelle, the next densest areas are from Hargeisa to Wajaale. No where in Bari comes close to it.




80% of Puntland's population is on that one stretch of road next to the Somaliland border. The rest of the region is practically empty. Those are the facts my friend.

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For comparison, the current lower house regional distribution is:

• Somaliland - 46 MPs
  • 51.6% increase in 2021
• Puntland - 37 MPs
  • 42.6% decrease in 2021
• Galmudug - 36 MPs
  • 21.5% decrease in 2021
• Hirshabelle - 37 MPs
  • 42.6% decrease in 2021
• Benaadir - 7 MPs
  • 136.4% increase in 2021
• South West State - 69 MPs
  • 26.2% decrease in 2021
• Jubaland - 43 MPs
  • 35.6% decrease in 2021

https://wakiil.org/home/map/2

This is an outrage and yet another example of the FGS's war against Puntland. Puntland's FGS government positions, like the central bank director they tried to hire an cadaan gaal for, have been systematically taken away from us and given to secessionist porcupines. The delicate 4.5 system that has governed this country for the last decade and a half is being dismantled in favour of a qabiilist system that erases some clans from existence entirely.

We cannot share a country with people like this. Puntland must secede.

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Lmao even disrespecting maamuls that have obeyed them ffs, hirshabelle probably has a bigger population than PL if this has anything to do with that

Fiidmeer said:

Sxb sorry to burst your bubble but Pland has always been the least populated region in Somalia. Here's a population estimation in 1953.

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which clans live in haut-giuba, RX cant be that big,.

Yoo said:

which clans live in haut-giuba, RX cant be that big,.

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Lol raxanweyn probably have the largest population of all somalis sxb. Bay, bakool, lower shabelle, both jubbas, benadir, gedo. They settle in more regions than anyone

Gabz19988 said:

Lol raxanweyn probably have the largest population of all somalis sxb. Bay, bakool, lower shabelle, both jubbas, benadir, gedo. They settle in more regions than anyone

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Well they're a confederation so that would make sense, hope those high numbers arent Madow

Shaolin23 said:

f*ck this no way Jubbaland which is one of the most highly populated states will have only 30 mps and Sool and.Sanaag should have the option to join PL or become a state on its own f*ck N&N if this true

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Why they fvck would we Reer Sanaag join Pirateland when Isaaq makes up 80% of the population? Even Sool we have around 25% of the population. Do you guys not think before you say this dumb stuff?

merka said:

We already have data on which areas are the densest. Outside of lower shabelle, the next densest areas are from Hargeisa to Wajaale. No where in Bari comes close to it.

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80% of Puntland's population is on that one stretch of road next to the Somaliland border. The rest of the region is practically empty. Those are the facts my friend.

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That density map uses data from 1975.

Migiurtinia (Bari&Nugaal) is equal in population to Woqoyie Galbeed. More than 50% of each subclan of Isaaq, except HJ, live in Woqoyie Galbeed. That is an insane fact.

this is just all talk until an actual census is done, which has never happened before in somalia

Fiidmeer said:

Sxb sorry to burst your bubble but Pland has always been the least populated region in Somalia. Here's a population estimation in 1953.

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Many south somalis came to life on PL. Example digil and mirif?

Abdurahman_somali said:

The current distribution of seats is not based on population numbers, whereas the distribution of your source is based on the UN survey 2014, which is widely accepted amongst all Somalis. Puntland doesn't control anything in Sool and as for Sanaag the capital and two of three major districts are under Somaliland (Badhan district isn't even fully part of Puntland).

The FGS and most reer konfur (except Majeerteen) always held the position that the 18 regions shouldn't be splitted, hence the seats of shared regions were allocated to the Majority. In other words, Mudug for Galmudug and Sanaag for Somaliland, no matter if Harti live in those regions. In the end of the day it wouldn't change that much. Around 10 seats more for Puntland.

Anyways i couldn't care less for this, but im surprised the FGS used the survey of 2014. If this is true, I'll admit Farmaajo has balls.

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Since when was mudug mostly hawiye?

There isn't a frickin single tuulo on the road from Hargeisa to Burco. Go travel it yourself. I am not sure what density they are talking about. The land mass is literally 150 kilometers from Hargeisa and Burco. Two towns fit into land mass only. I can measure the size of an average house and the 'sq kilometer' of the city to figure out how many houses can fit into that 'area of space' and then assume 5 people household in each home. This is a formula, I just proven to you how it works, take it to any mathamatician and they can't refuse the method.

Besides what about my family who roam all over PL. Their not settled in one place. A sample of my family could be the sample rate of all PL families where they are separated. I never heard of a puntlander saying all my family lives in one city. It's usually some live here, some live in tuulo, some live in miyi and migrate. That is the average sample of a PL family. This isn't the same in the south at all, you will find they are all contained in small land mass, literally abkow to abkow. I know this because my mother told me all her family lived nearby in one concentrated area of farming land. Literally speaking.

PL is like America very 'wide and spread out population', it literally has 750 kilometers of the tarmac road from Bosaso to Galkacyo. That is 1/3 of All Somalia land mass. It's not 'japan' with high density due to low land mass which is the southern population high density due to 'less land' not because their large population at all. Does japan have a larger population then America? of course not just because their highly dense doesn't mean shit when America population is spread out over a vast land space.

I want all PL communities counted over the 750 kilometer land space and then account for non settled population who are not located in one area and are on migration due to rainy seasons, I want to see what the family sample rate of each city is here. If all their family are located in one area, hadee you do the maths, where-as this isn't the case in PL. If you brought Puntlanders into one city, u could create 4 hargeisas, this my argument.

That's why Mogadishu was literally 2 districts and then grew with the arrival of majerten, hence majerten inta madax madow ayaa loo bixiyay. It was due to arrival of majerten that hamar became a capital, before that it was literally a tuulo.