Socialism sucks!!

don't worry she has no chance in American politics.


No points on

1. Looks.

2. Socialism.

3. No Charm

riyaale said:

I am not American. This is first time I heard about her. I shared this thread because I agree with ron Paul

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Dont agree with ron paul. He is a nut case. Since he was beaten up by his neighbor, he has been voting senate in a crazy way. lately, he was the only republican not to vote for funds put aside for 911 fire res-ponders who have cancer. His libertine belief has no switch off

Basra said:

don't worry she has no chance in American politics.


No points on

1. Looks.

2. Socialism.

3. No Charm

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Bernie sounds like a complete madman

Biden is practically a corpse

I think Warren might get it. I can’t see any other viable candidate

Kaafiye said:

Bernie sounds like a complete madman

Biden is practically a corpse

I think Warren might get it. I can’t see any other viable candidate

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+1

riyaale said:

I couldn't disagree more.

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Ron Paul is a great man. It takes a lot of understanding of history and economics to see where he’s coming from. He tends to ramble and he isn’t eloquent, but his foundation is solid and he’s never been a hypocrite.

Learn the difference between Social Democracy and Socialism.

Social Democracy is a free-market economy and social programs that provide certain goods and services which are essential for our survival. This way, it does not get corrupted by the profit motive inherent in the private sector.

The alchemist said:

Learn the difference between Social Democracy and Socialism.

Social Democracy is a free-market economy and social programs that provide certain goods and services which are essential for our survival. This way, it does not get corrupted by the profit motive inherent in the private sector.

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Upti, Profit is a good thing.

I’m sure the fact that you can buy cheap consumer products benefited your life, so why the hell do you care if someone earns a profit in doing so?

You need more profit in a system, not less. Anytime the government takes over, shit doesn’t work. Look at how terribly educated high school kids are, despite education funding tripling since Jimmy Carter was president. Use your brain, f*ck socialism, it doesn’t work. It makes countries poorer and these Western countries have used the United States as a crutch, in terms of military spending and technological innovation that comes from a ton of capital and less government. If the US goes in the direction of the Europeans or Canada it will NOT WORK. Live in reality

By any means, Donald Trump ain’t gonna win re-election.

Elizabeth Warren will be the next president. As soon as the economy slows down (and it will), Trump’s popularity would crater and she’s the only somewhat sane candidate in the race. She will win. Biden has no chance and Bernie is insane

And Warren will be 10x worse than Woodrow Wilson—one of the worst Presidents in history. A University professor who thinks she has a plan for everything, who wants to spend a lot of money and tax a lot and centralize the economy.

Kaafiye said:

Bernie sounds like a complete madman

Biden is practically a corpse

I think Warren might get it. I can’t see any other viable candidate

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Kaafiye said:

By any means, Donald Trump ain’t gonna win re-election.

Elizabeth Warren will be the next president. As soon as the economy slows down (and it will), Trump’s popularity would crater and she’s the only somewhat sane candidate in the race. She will win. Biden has no chance and Bernie is insane

And Warren will be 10x worse than Woodrow Wilson—one of the worst Presidents in history. A University professor who thinks she has a plan for everything, who wants to spend a lot of money and tax a lot and centralize the economy.

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Kaafiye said:

Upti, Profit is a good thing.

I’m sure the fact that you can buy cheap consumer products benefited your life, so why the hell do you care if someone earns a profit in doing so?

You need more profit in a system, not less. Anytime the government takes over, shit doesn’t work. Look at how terribly educated high school kids are, despite education funding tripling since Jimmy Carter was president. Use your brain, f*ck socialism, it doesn’t work. It makes countries poorer and these Western countries have used the United States as a crutch, in terms of military spending and technological innovation that comes from a ton of capital and less government. If the US goes in the direction of the Europeans or Canada it will NOT WORK. Live in reality

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It's rich you're posting this while living in Canada, a "socialist hellhole" according to most US politicians and especially those on the right like Ron Paul.


You clearly believe in unfettered Laissez-Faire capitalism and your beliefs seems to be most inline with what is status quo in the US. The most effective way of voting as they say is voting with your feet. Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and immigrate to the US? Leave the socialist dump that is Canada and join the glorious, prosperous, Land of the Free™, and Home of the Brave™.


Normally I ignore or laugh at Lolbertarians and their quacky, hair-brained ideas and rambling. I then go about my day. But something like living in a country that recognizes the benefits of a public healthcare system and other goods that are vital to the fabric of a developed country, while calling for and supporting policies that have failed again and again and have only served to enrich the few while damaging countless innocents, is outrageous enough that I feel inclined to post.

Rand Paul, the genius son of the great genius Ron Paul, calls public healthcare "slavery".



This is the family you very smart and thinking people are hitching your wagon to.

Inb4 "Chicago School of Economics".

Inb4 ramblings by dismissed crackpots Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell.

GoldmanSachs said:

It's rich you're posting this while living in Canada, a "socialist hellhole" according to most US politicians and especially those on the right like Ron Paul.


You clearly believe in unfettered Laissez-Faire capitalism and your beliefs seems to be most inline with what is status quo in the US. The most effective way of voting as they say is voting with your feet. Why don't you put your money where your mouth is and immigrate to the US? Leave the socialist dump that is Canada and join the glorious, prosperous, Land of the Free™, and Home of the Brave™.


Normally I ignore or laugh at Lolbertarians and their quacky, hair-brained ideas and rambling. I then go about my day. But something like living in a country that recognizes the benefits of a public healthcare system and other goods that are vital to the fabric of a developed country, while calling for and supporting policies that have failed again and again and have only served to enrich the few while damaging countless innocents, is outrageous enough that I feel inclined to post.

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This sort of proves how shallow your thinking is. There’s no way in hell that I like the status quo that exists in America, you make America look like it’s some anarcho-capitalist utopia.

I mean, government interventions are why surgeries cost so much in America, school costs are inflated, and housing in some cities are ridiculously expensive.

So no, I can’t stand the status quo.

Don’t get into arguments about things you know nothing about.

Maybe you should take some time and understand Rand Paul’s logic. Taxation is theft, and it requires government officials forcing you to forfeit some of your income. If Bernie decides he wants to jack up your taxes to fund this public healthcare plan, then yes it is a form of slavery.

Government’s are only there to secure your life, liberty and property. They’re here to protect our rights from criminals, or the mob. That’s it. Nothing else. Once you give Government the role of being the public benefactor, you create economic stagnation, corruption and abuse.

Bernie must have a cynical view of human nature if he thinks that in a prosperous and free society, we wouldn’t have ample resources to pour into medical treatment.

None of these candidates are socialists in any way. There is a clear difference between implementing social programmes to help ease the lives of the working class (subsidised or even free healthcare and education) and seizing the means of production in the GLORIOUS REVOLUTION OF THE UNITED PROLETARIAN FRONT.

Even if a candidate like Bernie is socialist or adjacent, he could only take America as far left as a social democratic, 'humanely capitalistic' economy.

Kaafiye said:

This sort of proves how shallow your thinking is. There’s no way in hell that I like the status quo that exists in America, you make America look like it’s some anarcho-capitalist utopia.

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You danced around the question. Whether America is "anarcho-capitalist" or not is besides the point. The point is that out of the entire developed world, it is by far the closest to that model. Why haven't you voted with your feet and immigrated there, especially to a state with no state taxes like Texas? Why do you continue reside in and benefit from a socialist hellhole and it's enslavement of doctors?

Oh, and while we're at it, why has there been no country in the world has tried your anarcho-capitalist utopia? Why are there no respected economists or serious thinkers with academic prestige have endorsed any of these ideas? Is it a conspiracy? The conspiracy theory has to come in somewhere with you lolbertarians. And FYI, I don't consider the Chicago school of xaar to be a credible institution and neither does academia and the private sector.

Kaafiye said:

I mean, government interventions are why surgeries cost so much in America, school costs are inflated, and housing in some cities are ridiculously expensive.

So no, I can’t stand the status quo.

Don’t get into arguments about things you know nothing about.

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Are you smoking that OCS shit my dude. Out of all the developed, post-industrialized countries in the world, the US is the only country with no public healthcare system that insures all its citizens for basic care. In other words, it is by far the closest system to your ideal anarcho-capitalist fantasy. And yet, it has been documented in countless studies to be the most wasteful and expensive per-capita.

Business Insider: The average cost of healthcare in 21 different countries

Seeking Alpha: US healthcare spending nearing 20% of GDP

Noticed how I cite two business-focused sites that are right-leaning and against a public healthcare option. In other words, fake news and conspiracy theories won't get you out this one.

Key points:

• Despite leading the world in healthcare spending, the U.S. lags other developed countries in many major measures of health, including life expectancy, the incidence of diabetes, heart disease, respiratory disease and infant mortality.
  
• Consolidation in hospitals have given them more clout to demand higher prices from insurers. For example, in markets with monopoly hospitals, the cost of a lower limb MRI is over 23% more than markets with at least four hospitals.
  
• The percentage of S&P 500 revenues reported by healthcare companies has risen from 4% in 1985 to almost 16% last year (the profit percentage would be more informative considering consolidation within the sector).

This is what your cute little anarcho-capitalism leads to in the modern, real world. Monopolies/Duopolies/Oligopolies that dominate the market and gobble all competition or form cartels that engage in price-fixing. These artificial distortions are products of our modern economy and need to be regulated. This is precisely why your anarcho-capitalist fetish is the law of the jungle. It may work fine for a tiny hunter-gatherer society where accumulation of assets is impractical, but in modern society it leads to massive marketplace failures, perverse incentives, rampant collusion and fraud. Ever heard of Enron/WorldCom/Lehman Brothers? What will save the investing public from crooked company execs. cooking the books? Inb4 the accounting version of "nonaggression principle". Lol.

And I don't have the time to completely refute your other nonsense about housing prices being absurdly high and schools being bad being the consequence of US federal government intervention. You don't understand basic economics and that's where all of this ignorance is coming from. For example, US schools are not funded by the federal government or even state governments. They are funded by local property taxes at the municipal level.

Kaafiye said:

Maybe you should take some time and understand Rand Paul’s logic. Taxation is theft, and it requires government officials forcing you to forfeit some of your income. If Bernie decides he wants to jack up your taxes to fund this public healthcare plan, then yes it is a form of slavery.

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I knew you were either going to go with the "taxation is theft" or "social security is a ponzi scheme" rant as if these are revolutionary and groundbreaking ideas. Simply, taxation is not theft. It is the price you pay to participate in a given society, whether as an individual or as a corporation. If you enjoy roads, environmental protections, and perhaps most importantly, stability provided by military protection from foreign aggressors. You don't want to pay that tax? Feel free to leave. No one is compelling you to stay.

GoldmanSachs said:

You danced around the question. Whether America is "anarcho-capitalist" or not is besides the point. The point is that out of the entire developed world, it is by far the closest to that model. Why haven't you voted with your feet and immigrated there, especially to a state with no state taxes like Texas? Why do you continue reside in and benefit from a socialist hellhole and it's enslavement of doctors?

Oh, and while we're at it, why has there been no country in the world has tried your anarcho-capitalist utopia? Why are there no respected economists or serious thinkers with academic prestige have endorsed any of these ideas? Is it a conspiracy? The conspiracy theory has to come in somewhere with you lolbertarians. And FYI, I don't consider the Chicago school of xaar to be a credible institution and neither does academia and the private sector.




Are you smoking that OCS shit my dude. Out of all the developed, post-industrialized countries in the world, the US is the only country with no public healthcare system that insures all its citizens for basic care. In other words, it is by far the closest system to your ideal anarcho-capitalist fantasy. And yet, it has been documented in countless studies to be the most wasteful and expensive per-capita.

Business Insider: The average cost of healthcare in 21 different countries

Seeking Alpha: US healthcare spending nearing 20% of GDP

Noticed how I cite two business-focused sites that are right-leaning and against a public healthcare option. In other words, fake news and conspiracy theories won't get you out this one.

Key points:

• Despite leading the world in healthcare spending, the U.S. lags other developed countries in many major measures of health, including life expectancy, the incidence of diabetes, heart disease, respiratory disease and infant mortality.
  
• Consolidation in hospitals have given them more clout to demand higher prices from insurers. For example, in markets with monopoly hospitals, the cost of a lower limb MRI is over 23% more than markets with at least four hospitals.
  
• The percentage of S&P 500 revenues reported by healthcare companies has risen from 4% in 1985 to almost 16% last year (the profit percentage would be more informative considering consolidation within the sector).

This is what your cute little anarcho-capitalism leads to in the modern, real world. Monopolies/Duopolies/Oligopolies that dominate the market and gobble all competition or form cartels that engage in price-fixing. These artificial distortions are products of our modern economy and need to be regulated. This is precisely why your anarcho-capitalist fetish is the law of the jungle. It may work fine for a tiny hunter-gatherer society where accumulation of assets is impractical, but in modern society it leads to massive marketplace failures, perverse incentives, rampant collusion and fraud. Ever heard of Enron/WorldCom/Lehman Brothers? What will save the investing public from crooked company execs. cooking the books? Inb4 the accounting version of "nonaggression principle". Lol.

And I don't have the time to completely refute your other nonsense about housing prices being absurdly high and schools being bad being the consequence of US federal government intervention. You don't understand basic economics and that's where all of this ignorance is coming from. For example, US schools are not funded by the federal government or even state governments. They are funded by local property taxes at the municipal level.



I knew you were either going to go with the "taxation is theft" or "social security is a ponzi scheme" rant as if these are revolutionary and groundbreaking ideas. Simply, taxation is not theft. It is the price you pay to participate in a given society, whether as an individual or as a corporation. If you enjoy roads, environmental protections, and perhaps most importantly, stability provided by military protection from foreign aggressors. You don't want to pay that tax? Feel free to leave. No one is compelling you to stay.

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What a lazy and undisciplined form of thinking. America is the closest to the anarcho-capitalist model according to what standard? Government spending? Economic freedom? Taxation ratios between the rich and poor?

In many ways, America represents the worst of both systems, with government-created monopolies and red tape resulting in people paying $2000 to treat a broken ankle. That’s no free market, that’s a toxic mix of crony capitalism. Hence why you have situations where Americans are forced to pay 100x the market price for a drug that’s been patented a century ago.

Only someone who’s stupid and can’t think things through would look at this situation and conclude it’s due to capitalism. We see costs go down all the time when it comes to other industries, we’ve witnessed cosmetic procedures such as LASIK Eye Surgery drop by over 80% over the last couple decades, because it’s a cosmetic practice and is thus unregulated. The same can be done for other practices if the government would just allow the free market to do its job. And you ignored my point about education spending tripling since the 1970s, yet school outcomes haven’t changed. It’s like there’s something wrong with you. Your brain has been so conditioned to believe that government-run schools are the only solution, as if private schools don’t exist.

And stop with your BS about me packing my bags and moving to America. With the way things are going now, it won’t be long before the Americans decide to create those same policies in the United States. Rather than cut the red tape and regulations to make healthcare cheap and competitive, the Americans might go all-in on government healthcare, college, and all sorts of different programs.

Canada, Europe, and all these other places are projected to go bankrupt in the near future. This is a fact. America’s projected to go bankrupt as well, and the Federal Government over there spends over a trillion and a half dollars annually on healthcare. But if you weren’t stupid, you’d know that fact, instead of assuming that America is some free market bonanza where businesses run the show. Medicare/Medicaid alone is projected to bankrupt America, yet you think it’s a good idea to expand those programs to cover the whole freaking population. Imagine providing healthcare to 330 million people across a diverse nation. How the f*ck is that not a recipe for disaster? That’s almost $4 trillion a year, which is amount of money the US government spends on everything.

It’s funny how you try to be condescending to me and think it’s feasible to “make healthcare free” in America....and then you claim I’m the one who doesn’t understand economics. Seriously you look like a damn clown here.

And it’s cute how you mention crooked Executives, as if these crooked individuals don’t exist right now in your beloved system, doing their crimes right under the noses of the Government officials who were supposed to regulate them. Seriously do you realize how naive you sound? You think we can’t think of some alternative program including a private ratings agency, which could do far better than some Government Department that’s always one step behind the criminals they’re supposed to catch?

This dude keeps talking of economics but he has no understanding of it. Take your Keynesian bullshit and throw it out the window. And stop referencing the Chicago School, which although flawed is still miles ahead of your BS Keynesian/MMT style economics.

P.S. Your buddy Bernie Sanders endorses Modern Monetary Theory (aka printing money). The dude doesn’t even understand the difference between fiscal policy and monetary policy. What do you have to say about that? You think the US should just “print money” to fund their cute and fancy programs?