Dozens Somaliland soldiers including highest commander surrender to Puntland in Badhan

Thegoodshepherd said:

I fully support the secession of Isaaq&Gadabursi. It is literally the best thing that could happen for both sides. The problem is that Isaaq want land that does not belong to them.

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I don't think their united in secession anymore tbh just have a brutal president who will lock you up for stating otherwise basically a police state, in reality I doubt most even want seccesion anymore this isn't the 90s and the civil war has been long forgotten

Tukraq said:

I don't think their united in secession anymore tbh just have a brutal president who will lock you up for stating otherwise basically a police state, in reality I doubt most even want seccesion anymore this isn't the 90s and the civil war has been long forgotten

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I totally disagree. I think that if you held a secession poll in former British Somaliland today more than 50% would be in favor of secession. Do not let people like Caare deceive you. A majority of every Isaaq subclan and a plurality of the Gadabursi would be in favor of secession. There is no consensus, but the majority of Isaaq&Gadabursi do support breaking away.

Tukraq said:

not anymore, Issaq within themselves don't really want secession anymore as we can see from caares camp and the protests its split, wouldn't be fair to the population that wants to remain in Somalia

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The vast majority of us support independence. Carre and his 400 soilders are in the very very small minority. Isaaq and Samaroon support SL.

isaaqs making dua that other dabadhilifs dont betray them

@GBTarmy Mahad Cambaashe would have defected when daily killings of Las Anod residents use to happen.

Timo Madow and proud said:

The vast majority of us support independence. Carre and his 400 soilders are in the very very small minority. Isaaq and Samaroon support SL.

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im not so certain

Thegoodshepherd said:

I totally disagree. I think that if you held a secession poll in former British Somaliland today more than 50% would be in favor of secession. Do not let people like Caare deceive you. A majority of every Isaaq subclan and a plurality of the Gadabursi would be in favor of secession. There is no consensus, but the majority of Isaaq&Gadabursi do support breaking away.

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I disagree, especially for gadabursi lol, remember their being forced to think that way in a police state its like asking a North Korean if they support Kim Jong un, literally 100 percent would say yes but I think not even 1 percent want to say yes,
I personally think PL should liberate and incorporate harti lands in SSC back to puntland while supporting caare and creating a new regional state thats allied with PL for issaqs, there not our enemy and can be a good allied state with puntland in somaliweyn under caare, and then a new state for awdal

Timo Madow and proud said:

As long as it's not Isaaq/Dir lands I don't care.

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Eastern sanaag includrs isaaq

Tukraq said:

im not so certain

I disagree, especially for gadabursi lol, remember their being forced to think that way in a police state its like asking a North Korean if they support Kim Jong un, literally 100 percent would say yes but I think not even 1 percent want to say yes,
I personally think PL should liberate and incorporate harti lands in SSC back to puntland while supporting caare and creating a new regional state thats allied with PL for issaqs, there not our enemy and can be a good allied state with puntland in somaliweyn under caare, and then a new state for awdal

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That's the plan many Isaaqs are for it
We want a regional state inside Somalia not sonaliland
Allying with puntland is not an issue cause we will have unity anyway

Can y'all listen to the one Isaaq here? No! We don't want any type of unity with Somalia. Once again, Carre and his 400 shoulders don't represent the Isaaq. The vast majority of us support SL.

Timo Madow and proud said:

Can y'all listen to the one Isaaq here? No! We don't want any type of unity with Somalia. Once again, Carre and his 400 shoulders don't represent the Isaaq. The vast majority of us support SL.

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I thought you were oroomo are you talking about the oroomos that live in hargeysa or something? and wait is @geeljire madaxweyne oroomo or Issaq, im getting confused

Timo Madow and proud said:

Can y'all listen to the one Isaaq here? No! We don't want any type of unity with Somalia. Once again, Carre and his 400 shoulders don't represent the Isaaq. The vast majority of us support SL.

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The vast majority of who the killings in cel afwayn was the final blood that forced many hy to leave besides you're just a dir and you're regarded as a langab by sland

Vast majority don't support somaliland just their tribes somaliland is practically fictional and never existed
And isaaq especially hy have made their decision

geeljire madaxweyne said:

The vast majority of who the killings in cel afwayn was the final blood that forced many hy to leave besides you're just a dir and you're regarded as a langab by sland

Vast majority don't support somaliland just their tribes somaliland is practically fictional and never existed
And isaaq especially hy have made their decision

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Bro you are talking to a Habar Gaxajis kkkk I know what my own clan decides lol.

Timo Madow and proud said:

Bro you are talking to a Habar Gaxajis kkkk I know what my own clan decides lol.

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You haven't heard of what's happening behind the scenes I can tell you one thing it ain't just caare

Tukraq said:

if they kept to only Issaq parts they would have had secession 30 years ago and been a Djibouti carboncopy

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That's what stuns me. I thought they would pull out the 'kurdish' card or 'bosnia' card and say we 'got massacred' by serbia or iraq govt and on that premise require full independence for our people. But these niggas are talking about 'colonial borders' and shit that doesn't exist today. It makes me wonder what their real political objective is. If they argued on the grounds of 88 all Isaaq clans-men have pulled out of Somalia, waba wax la garan karo oo aduunka laga iibin karo. Lakin I am going to force awdal,sool,sanaag and spend 30 years and 50% of my tax revenues on wars against a people who do not want to join me, it doesn't make any political sense. But it does for @SirLancelLord and @Lordilord

I am talking about 'mental' sense as @Thegoodshepherd was saying. What their doing makes no economic sense nor any political sense. Argue 88 isaaq got killed, we want a bosnia deal who were massacred by serbia. It's simple and u stand a way better chance as Isaaq independent nation. The reason SL infrastructure is not progressing in any cities is because all their money goes into sool and sanaag soldier payments who don't even do anything but raise a flag and live on the outskirts of the city. Inside the city it's always PUNTLAND GOVT.

@SirLancelLord @Lordilord @DRACO Pay me waryaa. I will gather a few bah dubays boys of osman mahmoud in nugaal, since we are jilib, we can only donate 100 boys as soldiers. 10 from each family unit. We will base ourselves outside garowe city with 'calanka' somaliland and say 'somaliland' wuxu gaadhay garowe. Just pay us niyahow, while we enter garowe and tell our tol, it's just a money grab, no war is gonna happen from bah dubays, we just wannt 'eat' looooooool. That's how stupid you are playing this games, it's costing u money you could spend on your own people and not fake recognition projects. Lift up your peoples lives, forget sool/sanaag/awdal.

We will also name a governor of nugaal for somaliland if you want also. Just come inside 'xafadaha' though, we can't go to down-town city which is all controlled by PL. We will speak to press in guri xafadaha ku jira ee garowe and say this is 'governor' bah dubays of somaliland oo garowe joggo. Look how stupid u r. Your hiding on the outside and selling your people something is never going to happen or change the realities on the ground. Were selling a fiction to SOMALILAND ppl and your paying fo it thru your foreign donors which u shud spend on yourself not us. Cuz we aint bringing you sheet, just taking the money for our boys in the barracks.

geeljire madaxweyne said:

The vast majority of who the killings in cel afwayn was the final blood that forced many hy to leave besides you're just a dir and you're regarded as a langab by sland

Vast majority don't support somaliland just their tribes somaliland is practically fictional and never existed
And isaaq especially hy have made their decision

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HY are hardcore landers stick with Ethiopian politics u qoti

Post by Dr Osman,

“Thereason SL infrastructure is not progressing in any cities is because all their money goes into sool and sanaag soldier payments who don'teven do anything but raise a flag and live on the outskirts of the city. Inside the city it'salways PUNTLAND GOVT.”

PREACH

Qaar kamid ah waxgaradka Somaliland iyo siyaasiyiin caan ah ayaa sheegay in gobolka Sanaag uu ka baxay gacanta Somaliland mudadii uu xafiiska joogey Muuse Biixi intii dhimmanaydna colaadi ragaadisey.

Shacabka ayey ugu baaqeen inay dulqaad muujiyaan isla markaana ay gacmaha is qabsadaan uuna xafiiska bannayn doono Muuse Biixi Cabdi, xafiiskana qof kale uu qaban doono.

Maalinimadii shalay ayey ahayd markii Puntland ay ku soo biireen ciidamadii iyo saraakiishii ugu dambeeyey ee Somaliland ugu magacawnaa gobolka Sanaag.

PUNTLANDPOST

Link for his voice.

https://puntlandpost.net/2019/08/24...furtaymuuse-waa-tegayaa-ee-yaan-lakala-tegin/

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Jeegaan admit PL full control of Bari sanaag, they sent warning to Sool lool.

geeljire madaxweyne said:

You haven't heard of what's happening behind the scenes I can tell you one thing it ain't just caare

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And I can tell you one thing mista. That Gxajis (HY, Ciidgalle, and Arab) support Somaliland.