Human evolution

MusIbr said:

In a strictly material sense, who could argue? But I have way too many deeper disagreements contained within what exactly performing as a human entails to say that I agree.

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If they were truly superior, it would at least be arguable materially. No matter what we believed, we’ve always measured worth by legacy.

To me, it seems like romanticizing something you perceive as freer, but I’m not sure their lives were as worthwhile as ours could be. It’s an interesting perspective.

VixR said:

If they were truly superior, it would at least be arguable materially. No matter what we believed, we’ve always measured worth by legacy.

To me, it seems like romanticizing something you perceive as freer, but I’m not sure their were as worthwhile as ours could be. It’s an interesting perspective.

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That’s what I mean deeper disagreements; you’re a materialist and I’m not so here we would disagree philosophically. That’s a longer conversation for some other time, maybe. But I’ll say some things I guess. Things like joy, fulfillment, belonging and the spiritual, mental and physical needs of mankind do not have a direct relationship with material, admittedly there’s a correlation, but I think there’s something in human nature that needs to be fulfilled and will always be hidden from purely a materialistic view though it is a diminishing trait among us.

Is a dog better than a wolf? Surely a dog is more useful to other humans just like modern humans through the use of their material seem more useful to you than ancient man with his petty spear. But if you introduced modern living to ancient man, I bet he would run back into the woods in a fright or kill someone in a misunderstanding just like if you tried to use a wolf as a pet. Why would he not see the benefits of modern society? Why would the wolf not eat easily acquired food from the bowl instead of struggling to catch prey? Is it a problem of understanding? I believe no. It is because he has not been socialized, adapted and trained to enjoy it. A wolf is a master of his own element & wants to be the master of his own element, while a dog remains a willing serf under the whip of his master(s) or begging for scraps in the streets. That’s modern man I think, we’ve become so dependent, we’ve become pathetic, juvenilized versions of our wild ancestors just like the dog to the wolf.

Because you’re ruined and clouded by this very same mental degradation you cannot imagine how it would feel not to be. A dog must feel bad for the wolf when it looks out the window into the forest and it’s raining. I very much imagine things like depression, loneliness, terror, angst are all products of this over-socialization, just like a dog loses hope when his master leaves and lights up when he returns. Who knows what other deeper understanding of life we’ve lost in the process. You might think the dog analogy pushed beyond its limits, but the dog is a very good case study for domestication syndrome.