Crazy to think that some people don't even have structured languages while others are now trying to set up on Mars. Humans are extraordinary.
Somalis Are Not Inventive Society
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Crazy to think that some people don't even have structured languages while others are now trying to set up on Mars. Humans are extraordinary.
It's funny the aboriginal elder can't number his children, he just says 'many' lol. I remember my ayeeyo she knew the exact quantity of her children, she knew basic maths without even going to school. Especially addition,substraction. Because when she lost a son she would say hal wiil ba iga dhintay waxaa ii haray labo iyo toban carur, sideed gabdhood, iyo toban wiil.
Like she knew how to substract and do additions and totalling was in her vocabulary and she never went even to dugsi school because women didn't use to go back in those days. She however didn't know distance and kilometer but she knew 'weight' in terms of kilo when she would buy meat from market.
My ayeeyo wud say '2 days baan safaray' she knew days, not year though. She wud counted the days she travelled not the kilometer or distance as she wasn't aware of that mathamatic.
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Oh yeah the other thing is, she knew time also, she used to have a watch. She knew the hours in a day and probably learned it cause she would take her kids to school and when to pick them up. So she knew some maths but basic maths without any schooling and just learning it from 'street culture' cause it was already 'infused' in somali culture in miyi areas. I wish we had greek knowledge infused at that level also and western knowledge.
In the old days, they used to have a calendar based on lunar and solar. They knew to engineer and how to build houses. So numbers are useful tbh. We need to further our knowledge. My great-auntie knew numbers and maths as well even though she didn't know how to read and write properly lol
Plus my ayeeyo knew age, she knew when specific things happened to her in a time period and she wud say markan 'shan iyo toban jiray' I moved here and there. She knows different maths and how to apply to weight at the market place for kilo, time of day as she would say nus sac kadib baan ku soo wacaya. She knew basic counting, substraction, and totalling without ever attending a school. I think because the whole culture was like that and it wasn't really knowledge to them anymore but a 'way of life' because it was embedded into the culture, where-as most of the stuff their taught now in somalia isn't embedded into the culture like those basic mathamatics was. She didn't understand kilometer, miles, distance and translated it as 'days' she travelled or hours becaue she would know when it was maghrib she would say lets get moving at this time so we can reach maghrib prayer. Then he knew her asha time was 1 sac which was 7 at nite to her. They had the numbering the ancient way. 12 oclock was 6 oclock.
I am suspecting she knew how to 'divide' because she knew how much to give to each person in her family in terms of wealth, which requires the mind to work out what your sum is in terms of wealth and how many people are there and how it will be distributed.
Burial = Xabaal, Duugmo
Thanks for the update. But a-lot of people do not understand loan words indicates 'ignorance' in a society, it doesn't mean replacing. Do we use english to replace 'see tahay'? no because we have a word for it because we are aware of 'see tahay' so we don't need to loan word ''hello' in our language. But when you do see a loan word in a culture, it's indicates some knowledge entered into their society from the outside which they were not familiar with nor had any words for.
Like basto loaned from italian, we don't have a word for it because we are not familiar with it in our culture, it wasn't our invention, so it was loaned. It didn't replace anything, we simply had nothing to replace with it because it never existed. For example doro clearly came from habashi because they have doro wat which means chicken stew. It will be interesting to trace 'kaluun' or 'malay' but I am going for it. It's pretty easy to find though, it's either indian, arabic, italy, english because we never encountered anyone else in written history.
It depends on the region you want to sample for language purity in any country. English itself is not an Original language. It borrowed a lot and shares countless vocabulary with many other languages.
We are doing fine as Somalis in terms of culture. Other knowledge will spread based on opportunity. Plus science is accumulated experience and transcends ethnicity.
Well if you mean normal english is rooted in german and evolved but not scientific terms, their rooted in greek or latin because they didn't have those knowledge and loaned so many words into their culture due to it. That's why when you look at any definition of knowledge in wikipedia it roots latin or greek because that's where it came from. It didn't come from germany or the UK. They loaned the word and made it english sounding. Like we did to Pasta we said BASTO.
For example we Somalis don't do it but if we had a wikipedia article on Basto, you would need to acknowledge it's source is 'pasta' from italy. U can't say it's yours, you loaned it you never developed it.
For example 'bariis' is good one. This came to us thru 'yemen', as they call it ' ariz' we bastardized it to bariis. It's obvious it has english roots from 'rice'. This is indicating a third way loan, the arabs loaned it from english, then we loan it from arabs. We are exactly like that even today, most of our knowledge is tied to arabia who is tied to america.
It's like we are chained up to them like 'slaves' which is another indication of 'lack of innovation' scares. If we invented we would b e confident in ourselves not just wait for the 'arab' to give his orders which is sad thing because he doesn't even innovate so we benefit in no way by being tied to them.
It's like we are chained up to them like 'slaves' which is another indication of 'lack of innovation' scares. If we invented we would b e confident in ourselves not just wait for the 'arab' to give his orders which is sad thing because he doesn't even innovate so we benefit in no way by being tied to them.
Are you taking this connection to a level it does not warrant? As for innovation, with the Arabic numerals that went to Europe via Islamic trade in Italy, there would have been no renaissance. So thanks to Arabic numeral and math, The world is a better place today.
Algebra is named after the Persian Muslim who taught the subject. Algorithm is the same. Saxib, read up on some history.
The contribution of arabs is very minimal in comparison to how much greek and latin contributed to the west. Most of the subjects in universities has 'greek origins' as they start the lecture you will see hear them say it in 9/10 of subjects. So get real bro. Arabic Numerals is just a 'script' for mathamatics and even this is questionable by hindus. Numbers existed way before arabs, even Somalis knew numbers.
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Slavs were slaves then subhuman then suddenly Nikola Tesla came along.
But nonetheless @drosman you're talking like an ignorant xoolo who thinks the last 100 years are the standard. All the shit you said I'd wager you'd agree apply to Germans, yet a 1500 years ago they were living in mud huts being called savages and everything you're calling Somalis by the Romans.
But nonetheless @drosman you're talking like an ignorant xoolo who thinks the last 100 years are the standard. All the shit you said I'd wager you'd agree apply to Germans, yet a 1500 years ago they were living in mud huts being called savages and everything you're calling Somalis by the Romans.
This is up there with the most idiotic things I’ve read. English is a bastard language with loan words from everywhere and all northern european languages are rife with loan words from mainland europe yet they are at the top in regards to published scientific journals. How does that compute with your logic
Slavs were slaves then subhuman then suddenly Nikola Tesla came along.
But nonetheless @drosman you're talking like an ignorant xoolo who thinks the last 100 years are the standard. All the shit you said I'd wager you'd agree apply to Germans, yet a 1500 years ago they were living in mud huts being called savages and everything you're calling Somalis by the Romans.
This is up there with the most idiotic things I’ve read. English is a bastard language with loan words from everywhere and all northern european languages are rife with loan words from mainland europe yet they are at the top in regards to published scientific journals. How does that compute with your logic
1500 years? Mud huts? Germans?
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne
-They had Charlemagne, 13 centuries ago,
-After the fall of the Romans, Germans and other Central Europeans had an Empire ; the Carolingian Empire.
After many civil wars and the destruction of the Empire, Central Europeans created another Empire that last 1000 years: the Holy Roman Empire.
What did the Somalis have the past 1500 years? Besides some city-states sultanates in the early 13th century up to the 19th century, we were savages and nomads. We didn't have any written system until the 20th century.
No need to bring down other populations because ours is shit. Let's face it and create a new civilisation that will last a thousand years of glory.
> English, a bastard language,
Loan words are not a problem but the Somali language has taken so many loan words from anyone who came to our lands that we can't even have a proper language.
English is of Germany descent and latin. They got at least 40% of the language from the French and the rest from Anglo-Saxons who were Germanic. That's it. Then, they created and elaborated their own language.
Somali is not even a fixed language, where's the Somali Academic? Just like there's one for the French language.
Our language is taking too many words from others, we don't have a proper state, either any stability. No need to shit on others again, we are better than this.
A_A
Islamic Fanfiction Writer
He’s right we were at best mediocre. We defeated the Portuguese once and we had good trading routes, but were not special. I respect Somalis immense pride, but it’s better to build our nation up before you can bring down others.
He’s right we were at best mediocre. We defeated the Portuguese once and we had good trading routes, but were not special. I respect Somalis immense pride, but it’s better to build our nation up before you can bring down others.
I believe Humans will still be alive in the 2000 years, it is time to build a civilisation! We had time but we missed it..
A_A
Islamic Fanfiction Writer
We can and we will, then inshallah the future generation will have flexing material
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