Bosnia, The Next Somalia in Europe.

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Bosnia is close to the edge. We need Europe’s help
Aleksandar Brezar

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Police forces mark the 26th anniversary of the creation of the Republic of Srpska, which ignited the devastating Bosnia war. Photograph: Amel Emric/AP

In the opening scenes of Danis Tanović’s Oscar-winning film No Man’s Land, set in Bosnia during the 1992-95 war, a soldier in the Bosnian army reads the newspaper in a trench. Worriedly, he exclaims: “Look at this shit in Rwanda.”

This scene, said to be based on a true anecdote, turned out to be a litmus test for viewers.

Whether you laughed or not, you could read it in two ways. First, as a testament to the ability of Bosnians to empathise with the misfortune of others, even amid their own dire circumstances. The second reading is less flattering: might the unnamed soldier be so insensible to his own desperate situation, the death and destruction that defined the early days of Bosnia’s independence that the Rwandan genocide loomed larger in his mind?

In 1992 in Sarajevo, I celebrated my eighth birthday, just weeks before it all began. My parents threw a party for me, oblivious to the fact that in eastern Bosnia and the Drina valley – the natural border between the socialist republics of Bosnia and Serbia – Bosnian Muslims, or Bosniaks, were already being “ethnically cleansed” by Serb nationalist forces.

Earlier that winter, not even the horrors of the siege of Vukovar in neighbouring Croatia had prevented Sarajevan families from taking their children skiing. “It can’t happen here, it can’t happen to us,” became an everyday mantra. I remember how, at my birthday party, one of my friends’ fathers, a Yugoslav People’s Army colonel, took my parents aside and told them about the imminent danger. My parents politely listened to his words of warning. Later that night, they laughed them off as the ramblings of a lunatic. “War is impossible here,” they thought, confident in the fact that Bosnia’s characteristic pluralism would be our saving grace. Besides, we lived on Brotherhood and Unity Street.

They were obviously wrong. Our two-week trip to visit my mother’s brother “until things quietened down” turned into a four-year odyssey in search of refuge, while my father stayed at home. In the meantime, our Sarajevo was besieged incessantly and indiscriminately shelled. Bosnian Serb snipers did not differentiate between military targets and children playing in the streets. Further south, the city of Mostar would find itself similarly encircled. Banja Luka, the country’s second largest city, was systematically cleansed of non-Serbs and all its mosques demolished, including the Ferhadija, a Unesco world heritage site. The country witnessed torture camps, the use of rape as a weapon of war, the summary executions of prisoners including children, an orgy of violence that culminated in the genocide in Srebrenica, where thousands were murdered in just 10 days. And the message from the world seemed to be that we were to be all alone in this – brotherhood, unity and life itself be damned.

My family was reunited in 1996. Our apartment had been destroyed, and my father had barely escaped death after shrapnel from a shell tore through his abdomen at the very end of the war, pockmarking his body with miniature metallic reminders of that day. Together with many others, he became a statistic. According to estimates, between 400,000 and 1.7 million Bosnians suffer PTSD. If they were lucky enough to survive, that is.

One of the most vivid memories I have of our return was seeing the city’s cemetery for the first time after almost four years. A sea of marble pillars spread across the neighbouring hills, each a monument to someone’s tragedy. With 130,000 dead and 2.2 million refugees and internally displaced people, no one was left untouched by the conflict. But people focused on rebuilding – their homes, their lives, the country. Flowerpots could be seen on every balcony and windowsill in those early days. Bosnia was represented at the Olympics and participated in the Eurovision song contest.

Yet in a country where peace was brokered solely to prevent further horrors and where the war had no clear winner, there was no happy ending. A cumbersome state apparatus with 14 levels of government and no clear reconciliation strategy opened the door to continued ethno-nationalist brinkmanship and endemic corruption. Privatisation of state-owned companies was marred by nepotism, clientelism and gross misconduct. Youth unemployment has surged over the last five years, peaking at 57.5%.

Almost 25 years after the end of the war, Bosnian citizens are trapped in a hand-to-mouth existence, with some 23% estimated to be living at or below the absolute poverty line. This has led to a new mass exodus. In 2016 alone, one assessment by the ministry of foreign trade and economic relations stated that 80,000 had gained permits to work in EU countries. Currently, hundreds of thousands of people are leaving Bosnia each year. And they won’t be looking back. Toxic nationalism is ever present. Secessionist rhetoric is again spreading from the Bosnian Serb-majority entity of Republika Srpska (RS), whose leader increasingly insists that Bosnia’s dissolution is inevitable.

Neighbouring Serbia, led by Aleksandar Vučić, keeps expanding its military arsenal, while RS’s attempts to form an auxiliary and heavily militarised police force have alarmed many, including the UN security council. The Croatian government has been embroiled in a scandal after its intelligence services reportedly attempted to covertly arm small Islamist groups in Bosnia, as a way of proving the unsubstantiated claim that the country is a “hotbed of terrorism in Europe”. History is being rewritten too. In Croatia there’s a worrying trend towards whitewashing the country’s second world war-era pro-Nazi Ustasha regime. Meanwhile, the RS government manipulates the truth about the genocide in Srebrenica. Much of this political revisionism is sponsored by malign external actors, including Russia. The European response of soft-power shoulder-shrugging does nothing.

For those who still believe in a single, unified Bosnia, the days of blundering naivety are long gone. Scarred by the experience of the past three decades, Bosnians are painfully aware that this multicultural, multi-ethnic project is under serious threat. More than ever, we need Europe’s help. If Europe allows Bosnia to fall victim to ethno-nationalist forces, it will be sealing its own fate, as well as ours.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/may/29/bosnia-europe-econmy-ethnic-nationalist


All is not well in @Molotoff country, @R,Kelly might offer him asylum in Borame.
 

Marquis

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I doubt Western Europe and America will let Bosnia break up. Serbia can waste all their money on the military again, NATO will come along once again and tell them to stop the fuckery. Serbs are destined to be eternally cucked.
 
I doubt Western Europe and America will let Bosnia break up. Serbia can waste all their money on the military again, NATO will come along once again and tell them to stop the fuckery. Serbs are destined to be eternally cucked.

@kobe

This time, the dude in the White House might not be that eager to fight a Christian country on the behest of Muslims and these European nationalists in the former Yoguslavia are emulating their American Alt-Right cousins. In the article, even the Croatians are supporting jihadists, so when war brokes out, they can accuse the Bosnians of terrorism and claim rightfully contested territories. The conditions of 1992/3 no longer exists.
 

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Bosnia is even more complex than Somalia due to having different religions and ethnic groups.

in reality, the "Croats" "Serbs" and "Bosniaks" in that country are all genetically the same people but with different religions. Catholics are regarded as Croatians, Orthodox are regarded as Serbs, and Muslims are Bosniaks.

Check this guy out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emir_Kusturica




On Đurđevdan (St. George's Day) in 2005, he was baptised into the Serbian Orthodox Church as Nemanja Kusturica (Немања Кустурица) at the Savina monastery near Herceg Novi, Montenegro.[44][45] To his critics who considered this the final betrayal of his Bosniak roots, he replied that:

“ My father was an atheist and he always described himself as a Serb. OK, maybe we were Muslim for 250 years, but we were Orthodox before that and deep down we were always Serbs, religion cannot change that.[10][44][46]
Despite the aforementioned conflict of religion, Kusturica refused to see himself as either a Bosniak or Serb. Instead, he had continued to insist that he was simply a Yugoslav.[43]

When his mother was on her deathbed he wanted to find out his ancestry and learnt that the origin of the Kusturica family stemmed from two Orthodox Christian branches.[47] An ancestor of his, who helped build the Arslanagić bridge in the 18th century, hailed from Bileća and the Babić family.[48] According to the studies of geographer Jevto Dedijer (1880–1918) in the Bileća region (1902): the Kusturica family lived in a čopor (grouped area, literally "pack") in the village of Plana; they had eight houses next to the Kozjak family (four houses), northwest across a field from the Avdić family (23 houses).[49] In Granica, there was a family surnamed Kusturica which had left Plana 80 years earlier.[49]

According to the Avdići, their progenitor Avdija Krivokapić, an Islamized Montenegrin, reportedly was honoured by the Sultan for his military service and on the way home to Herzegovina, in Kyustendil, he bought a gypsy and brought him to Plana; this gypsy was, according to them, an ancestor of the Kusturica family.[49] The story, however, as was common, was motivated by traditional disputes of neighbouring families regarding status in the village.[50] According to Savo Pujić, an ancestor was Hajdarbeg Kusturica who was a čauš (officer) who lived in Volujak and was said to have been fair, having repurchased Muslim slaves, protected Orthodox clergy and his subject peasants.[50] The name is derived from kustur, an Old Slavic word for dull knives, sabres, etc., most often referring to sabres.[51] "

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@kobe

This time, the dude in the White House might not be that eager to fight a Christian country on the behest of Muslims and these European nationalists in the former Yoguslavia are emulating their American Alt-Right cousins. In the article, even the Croatians are supporting jihadists, so when war brokes out, they can accuse the Bosnians of terrorism and claim rightfully contested territories. The conditions of 1992/3 no longer exists.

nah, people realise that the Balkans is the Africa of Europe. If Bosnia gets fucked up, the rest of the region will start going crazy like monkeys. Every country will start wanting to change borders since everyone has land disputes there. The people there are dumb as rocks, they wouldn't look out of place next to Congo with the corruption, and chimp out tendencies.

Plus, Russia is heavily involved in that region and Serbia are their es. USA supporting Bosnia against Serbia is part of the Cold War against Russia.
 

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Mad support to Bosnia. I hope they won't breakup and go Somalia. (civil war)

Good luck!
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nah, people realise that the Balkans is the Africa of Europe. If Bosnia gets fucked up, the rest of the region will start going crazy like monkeys. Every country will start wanting to change borders since everyone has land disputes there. The people there are dumb as rocks, they wouldn't look out of place next to Congo with the corruption, and chimp out tendencies.

Plus, Russia is heavily involved in that region and Serbia are their es. USA supporting Bosnia against Serbia is part of the Cold War against Russia.

@kobe

If you think Trump will come to the aid of the Bosnians, you must be on his inner circle. Europe will be scared with few terrorist acts and blamed on the government. Islamic fundamentalism in Bosnia is on the rise and if the government is weakened, they do require the help of Serbia and Croatia to defeat the terrorists and then turn the terrorists fight a guerilla warfare that never ends but becomes Bosnians against Bosnians. The Serbs and the Croatians will get the lands. If it can be contained within Bosnia, Europe will make noises but not act on behalf of the Bosnians.
 

Regg

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In terms of culture, history and behavioral similarities, Albania is the closest to Somalia alongside with the North Caucacus when comparing them to European countries.

Tribal culture, has clans, follow Islam, nomad like, love to migrate and provoke countries, short tempered, deeply disliked being ruled, high birth rates etc.
 
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@Regg

Also, we are like the Chechens, they’re as tribal as the Somalis and that is why the jihadists succeeded in turning Chechnya into a massive war zone. They were lucky to have Putin next door.
 
@kobe

If you think Trump will come to the aid of the Bosnians, you must be on his inner circle. Europe will be scared with few terrorist acts and blamed on the government. Islamic fundamentalism in Bosnia is on the rise and if the government is weakened, they do require the help of Serbia and Croatia to defeat the terrorists and then turn the terrorists fight a guerilla warfare that never ends but becomes Bosnians against Bosnians. The Serbs and the Croatians will get the lands. If it can be contained within Bosnia, Europe will make noises but not act on behalf of the Bosnians.
Can Trump even find Bosnia on the map?
 
@Hayaay

People don’t understand Trump, he is an isolationist who doesn’t like America fighting overseas wars and from the get go, when told the likely country America could’ve war was North Korea, he embraced Kim Jong-un
 

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@Hayaay

People don’t understand Trump, he is an isolationist who doesn’t like America fighting overseas wars and from the get go, when told the likely country America could’ve war was North Korea, he embraced Kim Jong-un
Not really, he just seems to get along with strongman leaders who show him respect, this is why he has good relations with erdogan, Putin and leaders like that but seems to be at odds with the Trudeaus, macron and merkles of the world
 
@Tukraq

Trump has all the hallmarks of pre-Woodrow Wilson type of a president. Given that Americans were in favour, he would dissolve NATO and against all advice in his cabinet, he pulled American troops (with the resignations of defence and foreign secretaries) out of many places. He would’ve withdrawn from the United Nations and all the other international organisations if the E.U ever sides with the south East Asians and China for the trade disputes. He is a classical isolationist President, but in the wrong era. Have you ever heard of a New Yorker billionaire called Robert Mercer and his daughter whom own the Alt-Right website Breibert? He’s the brain behind Trump’s isolationist policy. Check them.
 

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@Tukraq

Trump has all the hallmarks of pre-Woodrow Wilson type of a president. Given that Americans were in favour, he would dissolve NATO and against all advice in his cabinet, he pulled American troops (with the resignations of defence and foreign secretaries) out of many places. He would’ve withdrawn from the United Nations and all the other international organisations if the E.U ever sides with the south East Asians and China for the trade disputes. He is a classical isolationist President, but in the wrong era. Have you ever heard of a New Yorker billionaire called Robert Mercer and his daughter who own the Alt-Right website Breibert? He’s the brain behind Trump’s isolationist policy. Check them.
Not really isolationist, just common sense, these countries need us more than we need them, so he can bully them into more favorable deals with these disputes and trade wars, it’s about who has to give in first, he’s doing it with China who will be a tough nation to break, but Europe will be a piece of cake, so if there countries barley bounced back from 2008 lol while others like Greece and Portugal haven’t yet, they can’t risk economic instability and will cave quickly
 
@Tukraq

Once the E.U, South East Asia and China decide to call Trump’s bluff, it will be the reasoning and the justification of America openly declaring to isolate itself from the global stage. Let America First get repelled by a united global force, then, he has a justifiable reason to pull out and close shop. Check that dude mercer and his daughter.
 

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@Tukraq

Once the E.U, South East Asia and China decide to call Trump’s bluff, it will be the reasoning and the justification of America openly declaring to isolate itself from the global stage. Let America First get repelled by a united global force, then, he has a justifiable reason to pull out and close shop. Check that dude mercer and his daughter.
Europe can’t call that bluff there not in enough of a powerful situation and would go bankrupt immediately lol, China can possibly, but they wouldn’t want to lose their biggest customer with 300 million people with the highest incomes, would be suicide for their economy, also the USbhas the resources/ ability and know how to last as an isolantist country the rest can’t do that in this gig economy where they certain roles in globalization
 
Europe can’t call that bluff there not in enough of a powerful situation and would go bankrupt immediately lol, China can possibly, but they wouldn’t want to lose their biggest customer with 300 million people with the highest incomes, would be suicide for their economy, also the USbhas the resources/ ability and know how to last as an isolantist country the rest can’t do that in this gig economy where they certain roles in globalization

@Tukraq

There’s no ones interest in a global trade wars, but if Trump’s agenda is isolationism, there is nothing the e.u, south east Asia and China but to establish a new global trade, security and economic entities and farewell America with love. The problem is at the next election, trump has awakened the giants of American corporate industry who have so much to loose from isolationism and tariff trade wars.
 
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