No, I wasn't. That is where faith comes in. Have you seen God? no, but you still believe right because it makes logical sense. the Quran is the word of God. The Quran makes sense, have no contradiction and hasn't been wrong on its revelations yet. Explaining why the Quran is the word of god is a whole nother discussion
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No, I wasn't. That is where faith comes in. Have you seen God? no, but you still believe right because it makes logical sense. the Quran is the word of God. The Quran makes sense, have no contradiction and hasn't been wrong on its revelations yet. Explaining why the Quran is the word of god is a whole nother discussion
I am a girl. And what did I change?? Explain!!
There you go first you the hadiths are comprised. When I caught you out on it saying you're a hadith rejector you said not all some. And now you're back at again with the hadiths are compromised. Stop being a damn hypocrite and stick to your guns.
You deny the hadiths and say I follow the Qur'an alone. The scholars agree on this person being a kaffir. I ain't sugar coating it for no more. Plus you've given no reason other, in my opinion... like who cares. Your opinion holds no weight when it comes to the deen, remember that.
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Everybody lies, which ones are tolerable??
بِسْمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحْمَنِ الرَّحِيمِ
Surah al-Najm - Verses 3-4
وَمَا يَنطِقُ عَنِ الْهَوَی
إِنْ هُوَ إِلاّ وَحْيٌ يُوحَی
3. Nor does he speak of concupiscent desire.
4. His word is only a Revelation revealed to him.
The words of the Noble Prophet (S) arise from neither personal desires nor social milieu. Thus, the blessed Verses in question say that the Noble Prophet (S) does not speak of concupiscent desires but he merely imparts Divine Revelation. In this respect, he is different from common people who speak out of their natural inclinations and concupiscent desires, rather his words arise from the Noble Prophet's (S) heart connected to the higher world.
everything the prophet said or did was an order by Allah. Every saheeh hadith said by the prophet is a revelation.
believe it or not.
Surah al-Najm - Verses 3-4
وَمَا يَنطِقُ عَنِ الْهَوَی
إِنْ هُوَ إِلاّ وَحْيٌ يُوحَی
3. Nor does he speak of concupiscent desire.
4. His word is only a Revelation revealed to him.
The words of the Noble Prophet (S) arise from neither personal desires nor social milieu. Thus, the blessed Verses in question say that the Noble Prophet (S) does not speak of concupiscent desires but he merely imparts Divine Revelation. In this respect, he is different from common people who speak out of their natural inclinations and concupiscent desires, rather his words arise from the Noble Prophet's (S) heart connected to the higher world.
everything the prophet said or did was an order by Allah. Every saheeh hadith said by the prophet is a revelation.
believe it or not.
Are you mentally challenged?? I don't think you comprehended what I wrote! What do you mean with a baseless opinion? I provided verses and logical arguments and now you are resorting to lying. How am I a hypocrite? This is a discussion I donät think you understood half of the things I said to be honest.
Speaking of scholars isn't what scholars are saying also opinions, whether baseless or not, since they are not prophets or God.
That same faith you can't have for the hadith right? Written and preserved by the same people. But you'll deny one and accept the other. The only reason you Quranists do this is because you want to interpret the Qur'an however you want (just like you said in my opinion I think smh), so it can fit whatever agenda you have. Allah talks about like this in the Qur'an.
Either way just remember you reject the Hadith, you're a kaffir as agreed upon by the scholars. Can't deny one and say I believe the other, when the same people preserved and wrote down both of them.
Always Lit
Everybody lies, which ones are tolerable??
I have faith in the Quran and it is my main and only source. Are you gonna ignore the fact that the Quran said to ONLY take the Quran as a source and it is COMPLETE.
Always Lit
Everybody lies, which ones are tolerable??
I don't understand how this is supposed to rebuttal anything I said. Since you recognise the existence of False hadeeths does that mean that the prophet is a lier? No, It means that those hadiths are not even from him and they are falsely claimed to be from him. The Quran says that the prophet never spoke from his desired and did everything according to the Quran and therefore the false ones cant be from him. Simple! The Quran also says that if there is contradiction = it is not from God and there for The hadiths should be dismissed the same reason as to why the bible is dismissed. Simple!
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Everybody lies, which ones are tolerable??
EXECUTING A MURTAD IS PART OF THE SHARIA SIS WHAT ARE U SAYING its a saheeh hadith?
YOU JUST SAID YOU DIDNT BELIEVE IN THAT HADEETH...what are u talking about?????
I can read it but don't understand the majority of it. What is your point? Are you trying to undermine my opinions simply because I don't speak the language of the Quran. Even the ones that speak it don't understand it fully. And BTW the verses I have quoted are from Sahih international translations.
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Everybody lies, which ones are tolerable??
U SAID IT RIGHT HERE.....Read....cant u do that...
you clearly said that hadith is contradicting the quran..
Your argument that means nothing. Are you a scholar? Student of knowledge? Where taught by anyone of note of how to interpret the Qur'an? Who taught chain of Narrations? Which books and scholars have refuted? Oh I understand perfectly. You're a hypocrite, and no matter how many times I tell you this, you won't, can't or don't understand. And you want us to put worth on your opinion laughable.
Your Logic:
1. Allah sends down revelation to Prophet Muhmmad, via Angel Jibreel.
2. Prophet Muhammad SAW, then tells his companions about the Qur'an.
3. The Companions write it down and compile it. When the prophet Muhammad SAW dies, Uthman during his leadership has the pieces put into 1 book. The Mushaf.
4. This is then spread and taught to the Tab'in, who teach their students and so and so forth.
5. Now you have scholars throughout the years (through Allah's help) preserving the Qur'an, until it reaches you.
Now you @Life accept this. Fair enough
1. Allah sends down revelation to Prophet Muhmmad, via Angel Jibreel.
2. Prophet Muhammad SAW, then tells his companions about the Qur'an.
3. The companions throughout the Prophets prophet-hood, ask him questions. Some he answers some he don't know.
4. More revelations come down, which answer these questions. Which you and other Quranists love to take out of context.
5. Now throughout this the Sahaba ask and are told how pray, pay zakah, fast, Hajj and umrah, marriage, treatment of parents, nieghbours, what to do when you die, ghusl, washing the body of the dead, inheritence and how it works, warfare, slave, punishments, dress code, health, sickness etc. All these things are what is asked about and taught to them in detail by the Prophet Muhammad SAW. Yes some are stated in the Qur'an. But, the vast majority of these subjects are either taught by the prophet through word of mouth or are seen in his actions. Some are taught to us via his wifes or kids.
6. All these subjects get written down by the sahaba.
7. This is then spread and taught to the Tab'in, who teach their students and so and so forth.
8. Now you have scholars throughout the years (through Allah's help) preserving the Hadiths, compiling those that are classed as weak, or fabricated, until it reaches you.
Now you @Life don't accept this, based on nothing more than your opinion (which literally mean nothing in the grand scheme of things, when it comes to deen).
This by default make you a hypocrite. You accept one because it fits your agenda/narrative and deny the other because it goes against whatever it is that you're up to. Even though it's the same people and process that brought the Qur'an to you.
Anyway I'm done, at the end of the day I've done my bit, whether you deny it or accept is your problem. Now on judgment day you can't use the excuse of not knowing about this, cause this will be shown to you.
Allah knows best, I'm out.
I know I said that but what did that have to do with the initial post? Wallahi, you're confusing me.
All the verses I've used are Sahih international translated verses that are clear in meaning. I understand that in the Quran there are deep hadiths and then the clearcut hadiths. I have only used clearcut hadiths so far. Would my opinion be more valid if I referenced a scholar? In your eyes, probably not. The whole "you need to be learned and shit" is just an excuse.
Always Lit
Everybody lies, which ones are tolerable??
what initial post you mean the original poster's initial post?
Always Lit
Everybody lies, which ones are tolerable??
HOW ARE MY OPINION BASELESS??
I've already answered in regards to the Quran also telling us how to do the things listed and gave you a clearcut example of God telling us what to do during Ramadan!
The same people, Kulaha? The most respected and valued hadith book is Bukhari who didn't even live during the same time as the prophet. He lived 200 yrs after the prophets death and wasn't even Arab. He COLLECTED a bunch of hadith not caring whether it was authentic or not.
Are you claiming that ALL hadith are SAHEEH? If not, by your reasoning its from the same people, so WHY NOT. I've already answered now you turn.
No this:
You asked if I could read this:
I answerd:
you answered to the answer above with You freaking out about the execution of an ex-Muslim, which has nothing to do with each other
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