Refuting the Claim that Prophet ﷺ was a Pedophile

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Always Lit

Everybody lies, which ones are tolerable??
What claim? Quote the verse in Surah Najm then!
This in itself shows that u cherry pick what u want and disgard what u dont want....u copy and paste ayahs u prolly never learnt in dugsi to suit your dumb agenda. you prolly dont even read Quran.
 
There is no single verse in the Quran that is going to explain how to do all of those things step by step. Neither is there no single hadith that for example tell you how to pray step by step. If you look at the Quran and summaries all the verses all over the Quran in regards for example to Ramadan then you will get all the details you need.

So, you are wrong, the Quran tells us how to do must of those things just not in one verse. And neither does a single hadith that explains how to do all of those things in one hadith exist.

verses that explain Ramadan:

2:183 O ye who believe! Fasting is prescribed to you as it was prescribed to those before you, that ye may (learn) self-restraint,-

2:184 (Fasting) for a fixed number of days; but if any of you is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed number (Should be made up) from days later. For those who can do it (With hardship), is a ransom, the feeding of one that is indigent. But he that will give more, of his own free will,- it is better for him. And it is better for you that ye fast, if ye only knew.

2:185 Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (Between right and wrong). So every one of you who is present (at his home) during that month should spend it in fasting, but if any one is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed period (Should be made up) by days later. Allah intends every facility for you; He does not want to put to difficulties. (He wants you) to complete the prescribed period, and to glorify Him in that He has guided you; and perchance ye shall be grateful.

2:187 Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives. They are your garments and ye are their garments. Allah knoweth what ye used to do secretly among yourselves; but He turned to you and forgave you; so now associate with them, and seek what Allah Hath ordained for you, and eat and drink, until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread; then complete your fast Till the night appears; but do not associate with your wives while ye are in retreat in the mosques. Those are Limits (set by) Allah. Approach not nigh thereto. Thus doth Allah make clear His Signs to men: that they may learn self-restraint.

2:196 And complete the Hajj or 'umra in the service of Allah. But if ye are prevented (From completing it), send an offering for sacrifice, such as ye may find, and do not shave your heads until the offering reaches the place of sacrifice. And if any of you is ill, or has an ailment in his scalp, (Necessitating shaving), (He should) in compensation either fast, or feed the poor, or offer sacrifice; and when ye are in peaceful conditions (again), if any one wishes to continue the 'umra on to the hajj, He must make an offering, such as he can afford, but if he cannot afford it, He should fast three days during the hajj and seven days on his return, Making ten days in all. This is for those whose household is not in (the precincts of) the Sacred Mosque. And fear Allah, and know that Allah Is strict in punishment.

Nice now answer the rest of the questions.

Now before all that were did you get these verses from anyway?
 
If you dont believe in the sahih ahadeeths of the prophet(SAW) Then your inderictly calling the The Rasuul a liar which means you are calling Allaha Liar because he says in the Quran that the prophet never uttered a word out of his desires and whims...and if u dont believe that ayah...your whole concept of you believing in just the Quran is a LIE.
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I don't think you understand what I believe. I am not saying that all narration in the hadith books are lies. I believe that there are possibly authentic hadiths in there but because of the existence of contradicting and false hadith in my eyes the hadiths are compromised and should not be viewed in the same light as the Quran.

How am I calling the prophet a lier if those hadiths might not be from him in the first place?
 

Always Lit

Everybody lies, which ones are tolerable??
I don't think you understand what I believe. I am not saying that all narration in the hadith books are lies. I believe that there are possibly authentic hadiths in there but because of the existence of contradicting and false hadith in my eyes the hadiths are compromised and should not be viewed in the same light as the Quran.

How am I calling the prophet a lier if those hadiths might not be from him in the first place?
Lol your aqeedah is fucked up. U saying u dont believe in a sahih hadeeth...where if a muslim leaves islam he should be executed....why?...
 
Lol your aqeedah is fucked up. U saying u dont believe in a sahih hadeeth...where if a muslim leaves islam he should be executed....why?...

I said the hadiths are compromised. The same reason as to why a Muslim wouldn't believe in the bible. There was a time when the bible was untouched meaning wasn't changed by people. Now we know that it's heavily manipulated and no one takes them at least from an Islamic point as the word of god or authentic even tho we know that certain verses are real the overall book is contaminated and are there for dismissed as a whole.
 
It is funny when Quranists like @Life said he doesn't believe in some Hadiths, in his opinion. Like that somehow matters. Unless your a learned Scholar or a student of knowledge in this field throw your opinion out.

It's also laughable how you deny certain hadiths, when the scholars who compiled these hadiths (I am not talking about the fake or distorted or weak ones, they're known and there's books written on them already), are also the ones to have preserved the Qur'an for us through Allah's guidance. The hadiths that have been narrated by and preserved by the Sahaba are also the same people who wrote down the Qur'an on paper (as Prophet Muhammad SAW) could not read or write.

Believing in one and rejecting the other makes you a hypocrite. Can't have your cake and eat it to. Deny one and by default you deny the other as well. No 2 ways about it.
 

Always Lit

Everybody lies, which ones are tolerable??
:jcoleno: when did I say that I believe in the execution of a Muslim if they leave Islam?? Maa waalantahay.
u didnt say that u actually denying that hadeeth...Quran doesnt care about your opinions bro. Ur a wishy washy person. If u deny a saheeh hadith with reliable chain of narrators then that means u dont agree with Allah.

Kibir ayaa ku heeyo saaxib. Allah doesnt care abt your feelings nor do the people who actually implement his rule on this planet. Disobey and face the consequences, Obey and Face the consequences...its your choice....it also says that in the Quran just so u know.
 
It is funny when Quranists like @Life said he doesn't believe in some Hadiths, in his opinion. Like that somehow matters. Unless your a learned Scholar or a student of knowledge in this field throw your opinion out.

It's also laughable how you deny certain hadiths, when the scholars who compiled these hadiths (I am not talking about the fake or distorted or weak ones, they're known and there's books written on them already), are also the ones to have preserved the Qur'an for us through Allah's guidance. The hadiths that have been narrated by and preserved by the Sahaba are also the same people who wrote down the Qur'an on paper (as Prophet Muhammad SAW) could not read or write.

Believing in one and rejecting the other makes you a hypocrite. Can't have your cake and eat it to. Deny one and by default you deny the other as well. No 2 ways about it.

When did I say that I believe in some and reject others? I have said that the hadiths are compromised because they have false narrations and therefore should be dismissed or at least lowered in value, some give the hadith the same value as the Quran.
 
When did I say that I believe in some and reject others? I have said that the hadiths are compromised because they have false narrations and therefore should be dismissed or at least lowered in value, some give the hadith the same value as the Quran.

And your opinion is baseless, this whole thing started with your opinion about the hadith on Aisha's age. You had nothing to back it up other than I think its compromised. And don't lie a couple post ago you were going on about following the Qur'an alone. Changing your tone now after I told you the same people that wrote down and preserved the Qur'an did the same for the hadith.


And for the millionth time the weak, fabricated, or distorted hadiths are known and compiled already. Aisha's age and marriage to the prophet is not one of them.
 
The actual verses are from the Quran. If you don't, believe me, you can control check them on quran.com just write in the verse nr and they will come out

The same Qur'an that was brought to you today by the Sahaba and Scholars that brought you the hadiths. Can't have doubts on one of them without doing the same for the other.
 
u didnt say that u actually denying that hadeeth...Quran doesnt care about your opinions bro. Ur a wishy washy person. If u deny a saheeh hadith with reliable chain of narrators then that means u dont agree with Allah.

Kibir ayaa ku heeyo saaxib. Allah doesnt care abt your feelings nor do the people who actually implement his rule on this planet. Disobey and face the consequences, Obey and Face the consequences...its your choice....it also says that in the Quran just so u know.

My opinion is based on the conclusion I made from reading the Quran. You are making it seem as if I have these opinion for no reason! The problem with the authentication system of hadiths is that they don't take into account that the source, the first link might be lying. The Quran talks about fake Muslims under the time of the prophet. Someone after the death of prophet could've said, " the prophet said this to me in private" If the person, the main source exit and the people he tells are real then it will be deemed as authentic
 
The same Qur'an that was brought to you today by the Sahaba and Scholars that brought you the hadiths. Can't have doubts on one of them without doing the same for the other.

Allah said he would protect the Quran, he didn't make such a promise for the hadiths
 

Always Lit

Everybody lies, which ones are tolerable??
My opinion is based on the conclusion I made from reading the Quran. You are making it seem as if I have these opinion for no reason! The problem with the authentication system of hadiths is that they don't take into account that the source, the first link might be lying. The Quran talks about fake Muslims under the time of the prophet. Someone after the death of prophet could've said, " the prophet said this to me in private" If the person, the main source exit and the people he tells are real then it will be deemed as authentic
look are u a guy or girl...?

second how do u think the Quran was preserved? as @Libaax Badeed was saying. It was preserved by people who memorized it and them wrote it down...why are u changing so quick just admit your were in the wrong and take back what u said...about saheeh hadiths being fabricated.
 
look are u a guy or girl...?

second how do u think the Quran was preserved? as @Libaax Badeed was saying. It was preserved by people who memorized it and them wrote it down...why are u changing so quick just admit your were in the wrong and take back what u said...about saheeh hadiths being fabricated.

I believe it is called, moving the goalpost.
 
And your opinion is baseless, this whole thing started with your opinion about the hadith on Aisha's age. You had nothing to back it up other than I think its compromised. And don't lie a couple post ago you were going on about following the Qur'an alone. Changing your tone now after I told you the same people that wrote down and preserved the Qur'an did the same for the hadith.


And for the millionth time the weak, fabricated, or distorted hadiths are known and compiled already. Aisha's age and marriage to the prophet is not one of them.

How did I change my tone?? explain?? I have maintained by side thru out this whole discussion. Obviously, as the discussion went on I explained my take on things further. I explained the REASON as to why we should follow the Quran alone because the hadiths are compromised and should, therefore, be dismissed like the bible.
 
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