I am not a Kuffar!! As I said earlier I don't mix what the prophet allegedly did with Islam and the Quran. You are insinuating that I am galo because I am arguing about something That even God didn't incorporate or mention in the Quran. If believing that saying Aisha was 9 yrs old when she married can be a false statement since the source of the proof aka hadiths are not reliable because of the contradicting narration makes be kuffar then you have a serious problem.
Refuting the Claim that Prophet ﷺ was a Pedophile
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I am not a Kuffar!! As I said earlier I don't mix what the prophet allegedly did with Islam and the Quran. You are insinuating that I am galo because I am arguing about something That even God didn't incorporate or mention in the Quran. If believing that saying Aisha was 9 yrs old when she married can be a false statement since the source of the proof aka hadiths are not reliable because of the contradicting narration makes be kuffar then you have a serious problem.
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They might get killed/disowned
I wish somalis families would slowly try to guide them back to islam.
Many would come back to the deen then
True, Gaalka maxaa laga sugaaya.
I didn't say you was Gaal (sorry if it seemed like it). But, you not believing in it is not going to falsify it. The hadith is true unanimously by all trust worthy Muslim scholars. The hadith that are week and or made up have all been piled up together. This one is not including. Either way it shouldn't effect you anyhow. But, not believing in hadiths in general (I.e. quranist), that makes you a gaal.
P.s. That hadith is Sahih, unbrainwash yourself from 21st liberal nonsense. If you believe in Allah, then know that so to did Prophet Muhammad and he never went against anything Allah ordained. Believe in the Qur'an and Sunnah (Hadiths).
Allah knows best.
Yeah it's why we are told to be kind to those in doubt. Don't take their nonsense, but don't threaten them with death or abandon them. Surely they wouldn't want Allah to abandon them either.
Have you forgotten or even know about the fact that the Quran declares itself as complete and as the only source of laws. That is why I don't mix the things that the hadiths claim the prophet did with ISLAM and don't understand people who label other people as kuffar simply for disagreeing with certain assertation that is made in these hadith books.
[Quran 6:19] Say, "Whose testimony is the greatest?" Say, "God's. He is the witness between me and you that this Quran has been inspired to me, to preach it to you and whomever it reaches. Indeed, you bear witness that there are other gods beside God." Say, "I do not testify as you do; there is only one god, and I disown your idolatry."
[Quran 6:38] We did not leave anything out of this book.
[Quran 7:52] We have given them a scripture that is fully detailed, with knowledge, guidance, and mercy for the people who believe.
[Quran 10:37] This Quran could not possibly be authored by other than God. It confirms all previous messages, and provides a fully detailed scripture. It is infallible, for it comes from the Lord of the universe.
[Quran 12:111] In their history, there is a lesson for those who possess intelligence. This is not fabricated Hadith; this (Quran) confirms all previous scriptures, provides the details of everything, and is a beacon and mercy for those who believe.
[Quran 22:52] We did not send before you any messenger, nor a prophet, without having the devil interfere in his wishes. God then nullifies what the devil has done. God perfects His revelations. God is Omniscient, Most Wise.
Based on these verses, what if a label you as a non-believer for taking another source of laws besides the quran ie. the hadith??
The Qur'an is complete, no one is denying that. What is wrong however is your assumption that the Qur'an and Sunnah of the prophet Muhammad (SAW) (which is the Hadiths) do not go hand in hand. You can't believe in the Qur'an by itself, that makes you a gaal.
Allah says in the Holy Qur'an:
“O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him))”
[an-Nisa’ 4:59]
Obeying the Prophet SAW, is following his Sunnah, which is Hadith.
And He warns against disobeying him (interpretation of the meaning):
“And let those who oppose the Messenger's (Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him)) commandment (i.e. his Sunnah— legal ways, orders, acts of worship, statements) (among the sects) beware, lest some Fitnah (disbelief, trials, afflictions, earthquakes, killing, overpowered by a tyrant) should befall them or a painful torment be inflicted on them”
[an-Noor 24:63].
No one can worship Allah, may He be exalted, just by following the Qur'an. As Allah want us to follow the Sunnah. If you claim that you are following the Qur’an only – if that is even possible – then how do you pray, fast, give zakaah on your wealth and perform Hajj and ‘umrah?
It is never mentioned in the Qur'an what to do or say, on the actions taken during Ramadan. When to fast, how to fast, what to say to open and break your fast, taraweeh etc.
You wouldn't know how much to give in Zakah, or how often.
You wouldn't know how to perform Hajj or Umrah.
All these are not mentioned in the Qur'an, but in the hadiths.
Even the Prophet Muhammad SAW said:
The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) urged us to pay attention to his Sunnah, memorise it and convey it to people, as the Messenger (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “May Allah cause his face to shine a man who hears a hadith from us and memorises it so that he can convey it to others.” Narrated by at-Tirmidhi (3656); classed as saheeh by al-Albaani.
The Messenger (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) told us that there would be among the ummah those who reject the Sunnah and claim to follow the Qur’an only, and that this claim is false and is to be rejected, because Allah, may He be exalted, gave the Messenger (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) two revelations together, namely the Holy Qur’an and the Prophetic Sunnah.
Putting up fake translations, half quotes and clear lack of context from Quranist websites ain't going to change that.
Always Lit
Everybody lies, which ones are tolerable??
U claim u have a high IQ...but it couldnt prevent you from stuffing your mouth huh....?
FAT ASS.
Obey the prophet, as in obeying the prophet directly since he was the LEADER of the Muslims. Why would you obey the prophet now when he isn't here, isn't Allah God and isn't The Quran the words of God? Isn't Allah the one who should be obeyed and Isn't the prophet just the messenger, so everything relied on to the Muslim came from Allah which is most likely in the Quran. We have the Quran but not the prophet. Obey The Quran!!
As for sunnah, Sunnah means the tradition of the prophet. The prophet followed the Quran meaning the Sunnah of the prophet is derived from the Quran. AGAIN, if Allah says in the Quran that the Quran is the only source of laws for the Muslim and the Quran is FULLY detailed then why are you taking the hadith as a second source of laws or for some put the hadith on the same statue as the Quran? And how doesn't THAT make you a galo, since you are going against the Quran? Don't take it personally I'm m not here to question someone else belief and label them I am only defending mine.
And since when did quoting the Quran become quoting fake translation. Are you saying that the Quran doesn't claim to be complete and the only source of laws? And if I am quoting them out of context then explained them and tell me the correct context they should be in?
You don't need to be a genius to know the meaning of those verses. Obey him as he his the messenger of Allah. The prophet was the only leader of the Muslims and he was the one who was receiving revelation from God. Everyone knows that at the time of the prophet they were a minority and was basically surrounded by hateful tribes that were oppressing the Muslim. Obey him as the leader or go back to the oppressive tyrant and may the curse be upon them. God is basically warning them not to do what the followers of Moses did. They didn't obey him and went astray.
Always Lit
Everybody lies, which ones are tolerable??
ok. there must be a reason why u deny Authentic hadiths other than your dumb assumption that it is not word of Allah....im guessing(if not correct me).
why dont u give us Authentic ahadeeths that u dont agree with or think are "false". i'll be waiting.
I see you haven't answered a single question I asked.
No one can worship Allah, may He be exalted, just by following the Qur'an. As Allah want us to follow the Sunnah. If you claim that you are following the Qur’an only – if that is even possible – then how do you pray, fast, give zakaah on your wealth and perform Hajj and ‘umrah?
How do you pray? Their names? Rakah? What to recite? How many times? Pray at home or masjid? The benefits of praying in the first row? The du'as to read? What to say open and finish your Salah? What to say before the Fatiha but after the Takbir? The Aadan? How many? What to say? When? Were do we pray? How we join prayers when we are travelling? How does it work? Etc
How do you fast? For how long? When are you exempt? When do you redo certain fasts? What breaks? Is a pregnant women supposed fast? Are you allowed to have sex? Does Janaba (wet dream) break your fast? Etc
How much Zakah do we pay? To whom? Who is exempt? Of you miss it how do you pay it back? When do you start paying? Do you give to non-Muslims? Can we pay normal taxes as Zakah? Etc
What do you do during Umrah and Hajj? What do you say? When? What should I wear? Should I cut my hair? When do I go? Is hajj only once or more? What the difference between hajj and umrah? Can I combine them like Salah? Etc
You couldn't answer using verses from the Qur'an, a single one of these questions. The Qur'an says to pray, the Prophet Muhammad SAW, shows us how in his sunnah. The Qur'an says to fast, Prophet Muhammad SAW shows us how to fast in his sunnah. The Qur'an says to pay Zakah from our wealth, Prophet Muhammad SAW shows us how to do it in his sunnah. The Qur'an says to perform Umrah and Hajj, Prophet Muhammad SAW shows how to do it in his sunnah.
The Qur'an and the Sunnah (Hadiths) go hand in hand.
“O you who believe! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger (Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him))”
[an-Nisa’ 4:59]
The Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) urged us to pay attention to his Sunnah, memorise it and convey it to people, as the Messenger (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “May Allah cause his face to shine a man who hears a hadith from us and memorises it so that he can convey it to others.” Narrated by at-Tirmidhi (3656); classed as saheeh by al-Albaani.
The Messenger (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) told us that there would be among the ummah those who reject the Sunnah and claim to follow the Qur’an only, and that this claim is false and is to be rejected, because Allah, may He be exalted, gave the Messenger (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) two revelations together, namely the Holy Qur’an and the Prophetic Sunnah.
How do you know it's true though? The Qur'an you follow?
[Quran 4:82] ............If it were from other than God, they would have found in it numerous contradictions.
I don't reject the hadith, the Quran does. The Quran says that if there is contradiction = it isn't from God.
We all know and hopefully can be honest about the fact that there are countless contradicting hadiths. According to the Quran, that means it's not from God since God makes no mistake
But if you want a Sahih hadith that contradict the Quran here:
A hadith:
al-Bukhaari (6922)
“Whoever changes his religion, execute him.”
A verse from Quran:
(don't know why the Arabic part looks weird)
2:256
ﯿ ﰀ ﰁ ﰂ ﰃﰄ ﰅ ﰆ ﰇ ﰈ ﰉﰊ ﰋ ﰌ ﰍ ﰎ ﰏ ﰐ ﰑ ﰒ ﰓ ﰔ ﰕ ﰖﰗ ﰘ ﰙ ﰚ
SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.
The contradiction is clear. Hadith say Leave Islam = death, whilst the Quran says that there should be no coercion regarding someone believe meaning there is no compulsion in acceptance of Islam
This exactly what I told you before. Stop cutting half verses or passages. Just makes what you say even more blatantly ignorant, when you get caught out.
Always Lit
Everybody lies, which ones are tolerable??
surah najm contradicts your dulusional claims. Read it.
This is the full hadith.
Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to `Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn `Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 6922
In-book reference : Book 88, Hadith 5
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 9, Book 84, Hadith 57
(deprecated numbering scheme)
There is no single verse in the Quran that is going to explain how to do all of those things step by step. Neither is there no single hadith that for example tell you how to pray step by step. If you look at the Quran and summaries all the verses all over the Quran in regards for example to Ramadan then you will get all the details you need.
So, you are wrong, the Quran tells us how to do must of those things just not in one verse. And neither does a single hadith that explains how to do all of those things in one hadith exist.
verses that explain Ramadan:
2:183 O ye who believe! Fasting is prescribed to you as it was prescribed to those before you, that ye may (learn) self-restraint,-
2:184 (Fasting) for a fixed number of days; but if any of you is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed number (Should be made up) from days later. For those who can do it (With hardship), is a ransom, the feeding of one that is indigent. But he that will give more, of his own free will,- it is better for him. And it is better for you that ye fast, if ye only knew.
2:185 Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (Between right and wrong). So every one of you who is present (at his home) during that month should spend it in fasting, but if any one is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed period (Should be made up) by days later. Allah intends every facility for you; He does not want to put to difficulties. (He wants you) to complete the prescribed period, and to glorify Him in that He has guided you; and perchance ye shall be grateful.
2:187 Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives. They are your garments and ye are their garments. Allah knoweth what ye used to do secretly among yourselves; but He turned to you and forgave you; so now associate with them, and seek what Allah Hath ordained for you, and eat and drink, until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread; then complete your fast Till the night appears; but do not associate with your wives while ye are in retreat in the mosques. Those are Limits (set by) Allah. Approach not nigh thereto. Thus doth Allah make clear His Signs to men: that they may learn self-restraint.
2:196 And complete the Hajj or 'umra in the service of Allah. But if ye are prevented (From completing it), send an offering for sacrifice, such as ye may find, and do not shave your heads until the offering reaches the place of sacrifice. And if any of you is ill, or has an ailment in his scalp, (Necessitating shaving), (He should) in compensation either fast, or feed the poor, or offer sacrifice; and when ye are in peaceful conditions (again), if any one wishes to continue the 'umra on to the hajj, He must make an offering, such as he can afford, but if he cannot afford it, He should fast three days during the hajj and seven days on his return, Making ten days in all. This is for those whose household is not in (the precincts of) the Sacred Mosque. And fear Allah, and know that Allah Is strict in punishment.
What claim? Quote the verse in Surah Najm then!
Always Lit
Everybody lies, which ones are tolerable??
If you dont believe in the sahih ahadeeths of the prophet(SAW) Then your inderictly calling the The Rasuul a liar which means you are calling Allaha Liar because he says in the Quran that the prophet never uttered a word out of his desires and whims...and if u dont believe that ayah...your whole concept of you believing in just the Quran is a LIE.
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