Are the majority of Berbers E1b1b1?

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Apollo

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Yes, but they have the E-M81 variety. Weirdly enough, E-M78 used to dominate the Maghreb before 5,000 BC, but then E-M81 came out of nowhere ~3,000 years ago and become the dominant one.
 

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Yes, but they have the E-M81 variety. Weirdly enough, E-M78 used to dominate the Maghreb before 5,000 BC, but then E-M81 came out of nowhere ~3,000 years ago and become the dominant one.
Is E-M78 the Somali one?
 
Northeast African one.. Somalis only have a tiny sub-sub-sub-sub version of it (E-Y17859).

E-M78 used to exist at higher frequency in the prehistoric Maghreb shown by ancient genomes.
Are Berbers related closer to Horn Africans or Arabs? They seem to be closer in appearance to the dhegcas so I assume they’re more related to them.
 

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Are Berbers related closer to Horn Africans or Arabs? They seem to be closer in appearance to the dhegcas so I assume they’re more related to them.

Berbers are made out of this:

25% Anatolian farmer that got there via Italy and Spain.
60% proto-Afro-Asiatic MENA (something similar to Ancient Egyptians and Arab Beduins).
Rest Sub-Saharan (both West and East).
 
Berbers are made out of this:

25% Anatolian farmer that got there via Italy and Spain.
60% proto-Afro-Asiatic MENA (something similar to Ancient Egyptians and Arab Beduins).
Rest Sub-Saharan (both West and East).

What about Egyptians? Are they more proto-Afro-Asiatic and less Anatolian farmer?
 
Yes, but they have the E-M81 variety. Weirdly enough, E-M78 used to dominate the Maghreb before 5,000 BC, but then E-M81 came out of nowhere ~3,000 years ago and become the dominant one.
Due to mutation or were the previous population completely replaced?
 
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Was North Africa uninhabited before the ancestors Berbers?
It’s been inhabited by dem pyramoids :fittytousand:
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@Apollo recommend me a book to learn this stuff sxb?
it's fascinating but I don't understand one bit.

have mercy on me, and tell me where to start.
 
@Nilotufian

Archaeological sites such as Uan Muhuggiag and more recent genetic studies paint a different picture of ancient North Africa. It was definitely inhabited for a long period of time. The drying of the Sahara indeed contributed to genetic drift. However, there are other factors to consider whenever speaking about the peopling of any region. It was more or less much more of a patchwork of different populations at that time.

SSA genetic contribution to Current day North Africans did not solely stem from slavery. Albeit, SSA contributions tend to vary according to population and is usually found to be at low to moderate frequencies (specifically from a YDNA perspective) throughout the Maghreb.

For instance, the presence of yDNA Haplogroups A and B have been found at almost 30% amongst the Siwa Tamazigh of modern day Egypt.

 

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@Nilotufian

Archaeological sites such as Uan Muhuggiag and more recent genetic studies paint a different picture of ancient North Africa. It was definitely inhabited for a long period of time. The drying of the Sahara indeed contributed to genetic drift. However, there are other factors to consider whenever speaking about the peopling of any region. It was more or less much more of a patchwork of different populations at that time.

SSA genetic contribution to Current day North Africans did not solely stem from slavery. Albeit, SSA contributions tend to vary according to population and is usually found to be at low to moderate frequencies (specifically from a YDNA perspective) throughout the Maghreb.

For instance, the presence of yDNA Haplogroups A and B have been found at almost 30% amongst the Siwa Tamazigh of modern day Egypt.

- Siwa Berbers are not autosomal Berbers. They cluster near Egyptians and Palestinians on autosomal charts. They are very different from most Berbers living in the Maghreb.

- The Siwa Oasis was a hub where many slaves were dumped during the Trans-Saharan Slave Trade. Especially Nilotic and Chadic slaves.

- It is a tiny town. In small populations, haplogroup frequencies can go haywire, especially on the paternal side and tell us very little about their full origins.
 
- Siwa Berbers are not autosomal Berbers. They cluster near Egyptians and Palestinians on autosomal charts. They are very different from most Berbers living in the Maghreb.

- The Siwa Oasis was a hub where many slaves were dumped during the Trans-Saharan Slave Trade. Especially Nilotic and Chadic slaves.

- It is a tiny town. In small populations, haplogroup frequencies can go haywire, especially on the paternal side and tell us very little about their full origins.

The Siwa are relatively small and closed community. There were many other slave trade cities throughout the Maghreb that were BIGGER than Siwa an yet still the northern Tamazigh have near scant SSA admixture. So That would be an overstatement.

The Tamazigh are not a completely heterogeneous group genetically, as each tribe has autosomal dna according to their immediate geographic surroundings along with an ancient substratum of admixtures, supplanted with a strong founder's effect (via the COMMONLY shared E1b1b). At least 3 factors in relation to the peopling of the modern day Tamazigh.
 

Apollo

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The Siwa are relatively small and closed community. There were many other slave trade cities throughout the Maghreb that were BIGGER than Siwa an yet still the northern Tamazigh have near scant SSA admixture. So That would be an overstatement.

The Tamazigh are not a completely heterogeneous group genetically, as each tribe has autosomal dna according to their immediate geographic surroundings along with an ancient substratum of admixtures, supplanted with a strong founder's effect (via the COMMONLY shared E1b1b). At least 3 factors in relation to the peopling of the modern day Tamazigh.

Berbers excluding Siwas and Tuaregs are homogenous.

Tuaregs are Berbers mixed with West Africans.
Siwas are a mixture of Egyptians and Berbers + Chadic/Nilotes.

These two small outliers populations are only a tiny minority of the full Berber population.
 
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