Somalis are not sub-saharan African

madaxweyne · Sep 23, 2018

Unstable said:
If the Haplogroup T is most commonly found in the Horn at the highest concentration; how did it originate in Arabia?

hapologroup t comes from the people who left africa, and is a part of all non african peoples, how this ended up in somalis is not that much of a mystery somalis ariginate from the natufians who migrated to the middle east from north africa when they were their the founded cities in modern day syria and lebanon then after during the pre pottery culture b other people arrived and mixed with the natufian population and a lot of them were haplogroup t then the population then moved to north africa , then to the horn of africa later migrations reduced haplogroup t in north africa

Mr.Haggis · Sep 23, 2018

WE WUZ ARABZ N SHIET

madaxweyne · Sep 23, 2018

buule said:
WE WUZ ARABZ N SHIET

loool not realy but were definately not black africans if we have ancestors who came over from the middle east just saying

Nilotufian · Sep 23, 2018

geeljire madaxweyne said:
loool not realy but were definately not black africans if we have ancestors who came over from the middle east just saying

We have Black African ancestors too (they were native to North East Africa). Imagine denying 2/3 of your ancestry smh mental illness wallahi

madaxweyne · Sep 23, 2018

Nilotufian said:
We have Black African ancestors too (they were native to North East Africa). Imagine denying 2/3 of your ancestry smh mental illness wallahi

lool we dont realy have black african ancestors at the end of the day no matter what you believe in were all related but what determines wheather or not youre caucasion or black african, since our ancestors lived in the middle east as farmers who then went to egypt then spreaded out to west towards morocco to become berbers and southwards to become the ancestors of somalis we are by definition caucasion becouse our ancestors lived in the middle east before coming to africa

Nilotufian · Sep 23, 2018

geeljire madaxweyne said:
lool we dont realy have black african ancestors at the end of the day no matter what you believe in were all related but what determines wheather or not youre caucasion or black african, since our ancestors lived in the middle east as farmers who then went to egypt then spreaded out to west towards morocco to become berbers and southwards to become the ancestors of somalis we are by definition caucasion becouse our ancestors lived in the middle east before coming to africa

Why are you leaving out the fact they mixed with local SSA thus creating us Horners :westbrookwtf:

Apollo · Sep 23, 2018

Unstable said:
If the Haplogroup T is most commonly found in the Horn at the highest concentration; how did it originate in Arabia?

Forget Arabia..

Even worse, it came from Northern Iran. LMAO, for real. It originated in the Zagros Mountains (LT), T went mainly West while L (the Y-line) went to India with the Dravidians (likely the first Dravidians were MENA looking rather than semi-Australoid like today due to admixture with aboriginal Indians). @anonimo @Nilotufian @Prince Abubu @Defendant

Armenians and indigenous Iranians have the most diverse T subclades.

Frequency means jackshit when it comes to origins of haplogroups. R1b originated in Siberia came to Europe during the Bronze Ages due to Steppe Indo-Europeans from Ukraine but is high in North Cameroon (totally not from there).

madaxweyne · Sep 23, 2018

Apollo said:
Forget Arabia..

Even worse, it came from Northern Iran. LMAO, for real. It originated in the Zargros Mountains (LT), T went mainly West while L (the Y-line) went to India with the Dravidians (likely the first Dravidians were MENA looking rather Austaloid today due to admixture).

Armenians and indigenous Iranians have the most T subclades.

Frequency means jackshit when it comes to origins of haplogroups. R1b originated in Siberia but is high in North Cameroon (totally not from there).

yes totally agree but i know how t got in to there dravidians it enterd the dravidians in the indus valley civilizastion when iranian farmers mixed with the population in the indus valley civilizastion to create the dravidians who have traces of that iranian farmer ancestry i dont know much about r1b in africa but what defines a caucasian is whether his ancestors lived outside of africa and for the most part that defines somalis becouse we lived in the middle east and incorprated near eastern lineages would make us madeteranian caucasians

Apollo · Sep 23, 2018

geeljire madaxweyne said:
yes totally agree but i know how t got in to there dravidians it enterd the dravidians in the indus valley civilizastion when iranian farmers mixed with the population in the indus valley civilizastion to create the dravidians who have traces of that iranian farmer ancestry i dont know much about r1b in africa but what defines a caucasian is whether his ancestors lived outside of africa and for the most part that defines somalis becouse we lived in the middle east and incorprated near eastern lineages would make us madeteranian caucasians

Dravidians originally looked like this:

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They did not originate from South India like many people think, but migrated there from Iran (pre-IE) via Pakistan into India a few thousand years before the Indo-European Indians did. Dravidians created the Indus Valley civilization:

However, they became dark and sheeit due to mixing with aboriginal Indians who looked like this:

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madaxweyne · Sep 23, 2018

Apollo said:
Dravidians originally looked like this:

^ Brahui Dravidian from Pakistan.

They did not originate from South India like many people think, but migrated there from Iran (pre-IE) via Pakistan into India a few thousand years before the Indo-European Indians did. Dravidians created the Indus Valley civilization:

However, they became dark and sheeit due to mixing with aboriginal Indians who looked like this:

The Direct OOA descendants who stayed in India forever.

thanks bro i watched a documentry about the indus valley civilization its amazing how advanced they were they had irrigation and baths in the middle of the city thousands of years before the romans did, its funny how their not included in the caucasian race becouse they mixed with aboriginal indians but orignaly they were a west asian people
did you know that e1b1b and t in europe came from the natufians who mixed with leventine farmers but a lot of them joined the middle eastern farmers in to europe thats why there is alot of our genetics in europe

Apollo · Sep 23, 2018

geeljire madaxweyne said:
thanks bro i watched a documentry about the indus valley civilization its amazing how advanced they were they had irrigation and baths in the middle of the city thousands of years before the romans did, its funny how their not included in the caucasian race becouse they mixed with aboriginal indians but orignaly they were a west asian people
did you know that e1b1b and t in europe came from the natufians who mixed with leventine farmers but a lot of them joined the middle eastern farmers in to europe thats why there is alot of our genetics in europe

The only native (palaeolithic) European male lineages are I1/I2 and a rare subtype of F & C (the last ones are almost extinct in Europe).

The Neolithic farmers to Europe were: G2a, J2, E1b1b1, T1.

The Bronze Age steppe hordes (bringing Indo-European languages) were: R1a, R1b. These two became laandheers in Europe and killed off or largely replaced the previous two groups.

madaxweyne · Sep 23, 2018

Apollo said:
The only native (palaeolithic) European male lineages are I1/I2 and a rare subtype of F & C (the last ones are almost extinct in Europe).

The Neolithic farmers to Europe were: G2a, J2, E1b1b1, T1.

The Bronze Age steppe hordes (bringing Indo-European languages) were: R1a, R1b. These two became laandheers in Europe and killed off or largely replaced the previous two groups.

thats explains the diffrence in feutures between the northern europeans and the southern europeans who have a lot of these middle eastern farmer ancestry and tend to have middle eastern features but

Apollo · Sep 23, 2018

geeljire madaxweyne said:
thats explains the diffrence in feutures between the northern europeans and the southern europeans who have a lot of these middle eastern farmer ancestry and tend to have middle eastern features but

Funnily enough, the native European hunter-gathers were quite dark (brownish). They ate a lot of meat and fish and got enough Vitamin D from their diet.

Unexpectedly, the Anatolian farmers who went to Europe were much lighter (skin-wise, probably not eyes/hair-wise) than the European hunter-gatherers because they had high carb diets from grains with low Vitamin D. They made Europeans ''white''. Southern Europeans have more of this second element than Northern Europeans.

And the Bronze Age steppe proto-Indo-Europeans got the blonde hair mutations around 3,000-2,000 BCE (relatively recently) before that Europeans only had black or brown hair probably. They made Europeans even more ''white''. Northern Europeans have more of this third element than Southern Europeans.

madaxweyne · Sep 23, 2018

Apollo said:
Funnily enough, the native European hunter-gathers were quite dark (brownish). They ate a lot of meat and fish and got enough Vitamin D from their diet.

Unexpectedly, the Anatolian farmers who went to Europe were much lighter (skin-wise, probably not eyes/hair-wise) than the European hunter-gatherers because they had high carb diets from grains with low Vitamin D. They made Europeans ''white''. Southern Europeans have more of this second element than Northern Europeans.

And the Bronze Age steppe proto-Indo-Europeans got the blonde hair mutations around 4,000 BCE (relatively recently) before that Europeans only had black or brown hair probably. They made Europeans even more ''white''. Northern Europeans have more of this third element than Southern Europeans.

thanks for the information bro i allways thought the hunter gatheres turned white as time went without vitamin d from the sun but the recent chedder man photo changed my mind apparently they were dark
i knew blond and red hair came from the indo europeans and i thought middle eastern farmers just contributed thier darker tan complextion to southern europeans but i was worng thanks so much this stuff is quite facinating

Apollo · Sep 23, 2018

geeljire madaxweyne said:
thanks for the information bro i allways thought the hunter gatheres turned white as time went without vitamin d from the sun but the recent chedder man photo changed my mind apparently they were dark
i knew blond and red hair came from the indo europeans and i thought middle eastern farmers just contributed thier darker tan complextion to southern europeans but i was worng thanks so much this stuff is quite facinating

I think Cheddar man was exaggerated to mess with the far-right and also as a publicity stunt.

Realistically, they were probably around the colour of Southeast Asians like the Thai or Central American Natives (yellow-brownish, not like Africans).

madaxweyne · Sep 23, 2018

Apollo said:
I think Cheddar man was exaggerated to mess with the far-right and also as a publicity stunt.

Realistically, they were probably around the colour of Southeast Asians like the Thai or Central American Natives (yellow-brownish, not like Africans).

lool the left and thier obsession with the far right, i just dont get why some somalis go with the label black and want to be assosiated with black africans who were savages in africa and still are in america the burn loot steal sell drugs , stabb form gangs and fight each other , but then again i dont like the pro arabs either but arabs still built civilization palaces roads bridges medicine algebra and mathematics far better then black negros

madaxweyne · Sep 23, 2018

Apollo said:
Funnily enough, the native European hunter-gathers were quite dark (brownish). They ate a lot of meat and fish and got enough Vitamin D from their diet.

Unexpectedly, the Anatolian farmers who went to Europe were much lighter (skin-wise, probably not eyes/hair-wise) than the European hunter-gatherers because they had high carb diets from grains with low Vitamin D. They made Europeans ''white''. Southern Europeans have more of this second element than Northern Europeans.

And the Bronze Age steppe proto-Indo-Europeans got the blonde hair mutations around 3,000-2,000 BCE (relatively recently) before that Europeans only had black or brown hair probably. They made Europeans even more ''white''. Northern Europeans have more of this third element than Southern Europeans.

Mr.Haggis · Sep 23, 2018

geeljire madaxweyne said:
loool not realy but were definately not black africans if we have ancestors who came over from the middle east just saying

Sxb we are ahlul bayt. Believe it or not.

darklight · Sep 23, 2018

this is embarrassing, stop :jaynerd:

why do you people hate other africans so much

anonimo · Sep 23, 2018

Apollo said:
Forget Arabia..

Even worse, it came from Northern Iran. LMAO, for real. It originated in the Zagros Mountains (LT), T went mainly West while L (the Y-line) went to India with the Dravidians (likely the first Dravidians were MENA looking rather than semi-Australoid like today due to admixture with aboriginal Indians). @anonimo @Nilotufian @Prince Abubu @Defendant

Armenians and indigenous Iranians have the most diverse T subclades.

Frequency means jackshit when it comes to origins of haplogroups. R1b originated in Siberia came to Europe during the Bronze Ages due to Steppe Indo-Europeans from Ukraine but is high in North Cameroon (totally not from there).

Herr Amun, ya gotta stop taking the bait. Usernames that don't last a month appear asking the same darn questions when the subject matter in question has already been done to death. Trolls are constantly tagging you with stupid questions, ignore their ramblings.

Apollo said:
Funnily enough, the native European hunter-gathers were quite dark (brownish). They ate a lot of meat and fish and got enough Vitamin D from their diet.

Unexpectedly, the Anatolian farmers who went to Europe were much lighter (skin-wise, probably not eyes/hair-wise) than the European hunter-gatherers because they had high carb diets from grains with low Vitamin D. They made Europeans ''white''. Southern Europeans have more of this second element than Northern Europeans.

And the Bronze Age steppe proto-Indo-Europeans got the blonde hair mutations around 3,000-2,000 BCE (relatively recently) before that Europeans only had black or brown hair probably. They made Europeans even more ''white''. Northern Europeans have more of this third element than Southern Europeans.

Actually, light eyes were most likely present in ancient European T's, Varna man etc. Moreover, a lot of the Peqi'in T samples had blue eyes as you are probably aware.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-05649-9

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