The Proliferation of the Individual

[Gilgamesh]

As we see a rapid rise in the automation of the workforce in the coming years, how will society at large respond to the increasing piety among the chimpanzee population? Will mankind unite to confront this existential threat or will it be ignored and left alone until it's too late for us to do anything about it.

Please share your thoughts on this precarious matter.

 

[iui]

A possible solution for automation which has been circling which is "universal basic income"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/03/finland-experiments-universal-basic-income.html

In which Finland is expirmenting with and a few other countries.

A possibility is that creativity being rewarded along with nursing and other fields which relate more to human contact or assistance.

 

[McLovin]

Like my man bill geezy said, if people pay tax then robots who take our jobs should pay tax,sheeiit after that nothing to do but relax and play golf I guess

 

[Gilgamesh]

A possible solution for automation which has been circling which is "universal basic income"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/03/finland-experiments-universal-basic-income.html

In which Finland is expirmenting with and a few other countries.

A possibility is that creativity being rewarded along with nursing and other fields which relate more to human contact or assistance.

Interesting proposition, the problem I see with this is this only works in developed countries. Soon enough, even low wage manufacturing jobs shipped off overseas will not be needed as robots become cheaper than the shipping and wage costs involved in producing goods in developing countries. This can stifle economic growth in the developing world preventing them from ever achieving high income status!

We need global solutions to global problems, billions of impoverished unemployed people is a recipe for disaster. The so called migrant crises happening right now will pale in comparison to billions seeking an easy life in Europe and the Western world in general!

Not to mention how this could halt innovation as people will stop striving for greatness if they can just get free money and seat at home not competing with their peers, total stagnation!

The whole essence of life will be put in to question as many people derive their value from their work!

 

[Madara x]

Interesting proposition, the problem I see with this is this only works in developed countries. Soon enough, even low wage manufacturing jobs shipped off overseas will not be needed as robots become cheaper than the shipping and wage costs involved in producing goods in developing countries. This can stifle economic growth in the developing world preventing them from ever achieving high income status!

We need global solutions to global problems, billions of impoverished unemployed people is a recipe for disaster. The so called migrant crises happening right now will pale in comparison to billions seeking an easy life in Europe and the Western world in general!

Not to mention how this could halt innovation as people will stop striving for greatness if they can just get free money and seat at home not competing with their peers, total stagnation!

The whole essence of life will be put in to question as many people derive their value from their work!

Capital has freed itself from labor. Hard labor was always relegated to the poor and the disenfranchised of the world
So the poor and disenfranchised will suffer even more because of automation.
This type of class-based discussion is often used to encompass the impending doom of third world's people.
Class-based terminology, however, fails to distinguish between third world peoples and black people.
For black people, which includes us as Somalis, a different framework is needed to explain OUR impending doom.

This is what i partially try to address in this video ( us headphones to drown out noise in the background):
Let me know what you think

 

[Prince of Lasanod]

Truck drivers will be the next big industry to be automated. 3.5 million jobs in the US alone would be at risk.

Where will these millions of people find jobs?

 

[GeKo]

Truck drivers will be the next big industry to be automated. 3.5 million jobs in the US alone would be at risk.

Where will these millions of people find jobs?

Tragic, another hit to the somali mens industry.
In the factory assembling their replacements I presume.

 

[Inactive]

A possible solution for automation which has been circling which is "universal basic income"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/03/finland-experiments-universal-basic-income.html

In which Finland is expirmenting with and a few other countries.

A possibility is that creativity being rewarded along with nursing and other fields which relate more to human contact or assistance.

Pfff. What every Redditor wishes.

Almost every job is at risk of automation. They should train themselves for another career

 

[Inactive]

A possible solution for automation which has been circling which is "universal basic income"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/03/finland-experiments-universal-basic-income.html

In which Finland is expirmenting with and a few other countries.

A possibility is that creativity being rewarded along with nursing and other fields which relate more to human contact or assistance.

Pfff. Every Redditor's dream. I call it glorified welfare.

Almost every job is at risk of automation. We should train ourselves for other careers when that time comes.

 

[iui]

Interesting proposition, the problem I see with this is this only works in developed countries. Soon enough, even low wage manufacturing jobs shipped off overseas will not be needed as robots become cheaper than the shipping and wage costs involved in producing goods in developing countries. This can stifle economic growth in the developing world preventing them from ever achieving high income status!

We need global solutions to global problems, billions of impoverished unemployed people is a recipe for disaster. The so called migrant crises happening right now will pale in comparison to billions seeking an easy life in Europe and the Western world in general!

Not to mention how this could halt innovation as people will stop striving for greatness if they can just get free money and seat at home not competing with their peers, total stagnation!

The whole essence of life will be put in to question as many people derive their value from their work!

There was a case study done in namibia yielded intersting results. "Among the positive results were better nutrition, clothing, and transportation, more savings and a rise in entrepreneurship." (Ironically)
http://basicincome.org/news/2016/05/on-why-basic-income-has-not-yet-been-deployed-now-its-namibia/ .

To your second point developed countries could invest in 3rd world countries in various sector infastruture eduction training etc and in turn receive 10 times there investment . ( in an ideal world ) current system benefits too many organisations and corps .

I don't think majority of people will sitting down and do nothing and receive a pay check from the government .They would pursue they dream life objectives to reach would be a freer world . Not stress about money whether or not they would put food on the table .

 

[merka]

Basic Income is bullshit. If automated technology is in the hands of a select few then the rest of the world will eventually be rendered useless.

The only solution is to have the means of automated production in the control of the entire population.

 

[iui]

Basic Income is bullshit. If automated technology is in the hands of a select few then the rest of the world will eventually be rendered useless.

The only solution is to have the means of automated production in the control of the entire population.

to a degree currently you can with 3d printing . And emphasise my first point creativity.

 

[merka]

to a degree currently you can with 3d printing . And emphasise my first point creativity.

Most people cannot and do not want to spend their time creating things. For the majority of people if you give them free money they will spend it on leisure and entertainment. Creative people will always be a minority in society.

You're right that small scale automation like 3D printing would be great for individuals but large scale automation and artificial intelligence cannot be in the hands of an elite few or society will enter into a new-age feudalism.

Society will have to evolve from a Capitalist system into something more equitable.

 

[GeKo]

Capital has freed itself from labor. Hard labor was always relegated to the poor and the disenfranchised of the world
So the poor and disenfranchised will suffer even more because of automation.
This type of class-based discussion is often used to encompass the impending doom of third world's people.
Class-based terminology, however, fails to distinguish between third world peoples and black people.
For black people, which includes us as Somalis, a different framework is needed to explain OUR impending doom.

This is what i partially try to address in this video ( us headphones to drown out noise in the background):
Let me know what you think

In the short term it may kill jobs of people who aren't quick enough in developing new skills but overtime I think automation has the potential to create new jobs. New jobs that involve creativity, complexity, judgement and social interaction will replace the repetitive, robotic ones. during the industrial revolution many people started to panic but its quite evident that people's incomes and standard of living went up. The same case with the automation age of the 60s,70s and 80s. Extreme poverty has actually reduced by half over the past 30 years from the ability to produce more than ever with little cost
https://www.theguardian.com/news/da...quality-rising-falling-worlds-richest-poorest

One thing you forgot is that if people are to poor to consume, there would be no need to produce as there is no supply to meet the demand and therefore capitalism will adjust itself to match up with the correct price. Also the fact that automation can make producing a large amount of things quickly, can mean that more people will be able to consume than ever before.

Overall as education attainment increases, birth rates in the developing world will naturally decline and eventually their incomes will rise with sustainable development and energy to sustain their industrialization.
Check out this tedtalks on how the future might be:

 

[merka]

In the short term it may kill jobs of people who aren't quick enough in developing new skills but overtime I think automation has the potential to create new jobs. New jobs that involve creativity, complexity, judgement and social interaction will replace the repetitive, robotic ones. during the industrial revolution many people started to panic but its quite evident that people's incomes and standard of living went up. The same case with the automation age of the 60s,70s and 80s. Extreme poverty has actually reduced by half over the past 30 years from the ability to produce more than ever with little cost attached making the 1% richer than ever
https://www.theguardian.com/news/da...quality-rising-falling-worlds-richest-poorest

One thing you forgot is that if people are to poor to consume, there would be no need to produce as there is no supply to meet the demand and therefore capitalism will adjust itself to match up with the correct price. Also the fact that automation can make producing a large amount of things quickly, can mean that more people will be able to consume than ever before.

Overall as education attainment increases, birth rates in the developing world will naturally decline and eventually their incomes will rise with sustainable development and energy to sustain their industrialization.
Check out this tedtalks on how the future might be:

How will automation create new jobs in the face of artificial intelligence? Especially when robots will potentially be more intelligent than human beings.

 

[GeKo]

How will automation create new jobs in the face of artificial intelligence? Especially when robots will potentially be more intelligent than human beings.

Did you read what I wrote or just stop after the first line. As history has shown, jobs that are simple and repetitive will be culled while new jobs that require more judgement, management, complex/creative thinking, communication and social interaction will replace. Today we don't see an exasperated problem of joblessness/ unemployment due to automation. Jobs that may have exist 20 years ago may not exist but many new jobs that didn't exist will be created. Meaning more service related jobs and less labour intensive jobs. Robots will never replace human interaction.

 

[Madara x]

Truck drivers will be the next big industry to be automated. 3.5 million jobs in the US alone would be at risk.

Where will these millions of people find jobs?

They will join the slave . . . i mean police patrol :siilaanyolaugh:

 

[Madara x]

Most people cannot and do not want to spend their time creating things. For the majority of people if you give them free money they will spend it on leisure and entertainment. Creative people will always be a minority in society.

You're right that small scale automation like 3D printing would be great for individuals but large scale automation and artificial intelligence cannot be in the hands of an elite few or society will enter into a new-age feudalism.

Society will have to evolve from a Capitalist system into something more equitable.

It will not evolve. It will devolve. As you said, we are going back into the age of feudalism.

Time moves backwards and not forwards.

 

[merka]

Did you read what I wrote or just stop after the first line. As history has shown, jobs that are simple and repetitive will be culled while new jobs that require more judgement, management, complex/creative thinking, communication and social interaction will replace. Today we don't see an exasperated problem of joblessness/ unemployment due to automation. Jobs that may have exist 20 years ago may not exist but many new jobs that didn't exist will be created. Meaning more service related jobs and less labour intensive jobs. Robots will never replace human interaction.

Sorry bro but you're behind the curve when it comes to automation. The repetitive jobs that you are talking about have been and are being replaced right now.

Robots are so intelligent now that they can solve problems in minutes that took some of the greatest human minds decades to solve.


Human labour will be completely unnecessary in the future. The problem is how do we organize society to benefit from this technology.

 

[merka]

Did you read what I wrote or just stop after the first line. As history has shown, jobs that are simple and repetitive will be culled while new jobs that require more judgement, management, complex/creative thinking, communication and social interaction will replace. Today we don't see an exasperated problem of joblessness/ unemployment due to automation. Jobs that may have exist 20 years ago may not exist but many new jobs that didn't exist will be created. Meaning more service related jobs and less labour intensive jobs. Robots will never replace human interaction.

You should watch this video if you haven't already. It pretty much refutes all of your points.