Debunking Ottoman Involvement in Adal-Abyssinian War

The claim you just made.
Brother I've made 3 claims, but let's address all anyways.

1. Afars were never once mentioned in the futuh, and we know from primary Portuguese sources that they were allied to the Abyssinians and considered Adalites their "ancient enemies":
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2. Modern hararis in my humble opinion are recent medieval arrivals, there's no evidence to support that they inhabited harar prior to the 16th century
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but infact they might've actually still been the same people as gurages during the futuh (the futuh speaks about gurages being Abyssinian subjects).
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Both east gurages and hararis have sidamic substratum and are actually very closely related language (like af maxa and af maay):
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You know the oromo migration overran the gurage zone (possible place of origins of modern hararis) and there's many sources speaking of arrivals who ran from oromo onslaught.
The oromos went to harar after overrunning gurage zone (here's a sketch showing oromo migration and how it went, the yellow zone in the middle should be gurage not very accurate)
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The Hararis (Adare) were aware of having the same origins as the gurages and they even kept this conscious awareness alive.
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On top of that The oromos called both east gurages and hararis "Adare"
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And one good point is, you know when somalis come foreign lands they adopt the language of the people of where they reside? Like somalis in aden/mocha/mukalla speak arabic
Somalis in lamu/mombasa speak swahili
And somalis in living with afars in arena speak afar?
The roles were changed in harar, somalis used to speak their own language in the city while the vast majority of hararis spoke either galla or somali as a 2nd language (probably most of them spoke somali as a 2nd language):
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The name harar itself is somali and and there are many places who bear the same name
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Summary: Modern Hararis are recent arrivals from the devastated Gurage zone due to Oromo onslaught during the medieval period.
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3. Futuh keeps talking about muslim converts coming from tigray.
 
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Brother I've made 3 claims, but let's address all anyways.

1. Afars were never once mentioned in the futuh, and we know from primary Portuguese sources that they were allied to the Abyssinians and considered Adalites their "ancient enemies":
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2. Modern hararis in my humble opinion are recent medieval arrivals, there's no evidence to support that they inhabited harar prior to the 16th century
View attachment 317992but infact they might've actually still been the same people as gurages during the futuh (the futuh speaks about gurages being Abyssinian subjects).
View attachment 318003
Both east gurages and hararis have sidamic substratum and are actually very closely related language (like af maxa and af maay):
View attachment 318004View attachment 318005
You know the oromo migration overran the gurage zone (possible place of origins of modern hararis) and there's many sources speaking of arrivals who ran from oromo onslaught.
The oromos went to harar after overrunning gurage zone (here's a sketch showing oromo migration and how it went, the yellow zone in the middle should be gurage not very accurate)
View attachment 318017
The Hararis (Adare) were aware of having the same origins as the gurages and they even kept this conscious awareness alive.
View attachment 318021
On top of that The oromos called both east gurages and hararis "Adare"View attachment 318030
And one good point is, you know when somalis come foreign lands they adopt the language of the people of where they reside? Like somalis in aden/mocha/mukalla speak arabic
Somalis in lamu/mombasa speak swahili
And somalis in living with afars in arena speak afar?
The roles were changed in harar, somalis used to speak their own language in the city while the vast majority of hararis spoke either galla or somali as a 2nd language (probably most of them spoke somali as a 2nd language):View attachment 318032
The name harar itself is somali and and there are many places who bear the same name
View attachment 318035
Summary: Modern Hararis are recent arrivals from the devastated Gurage zone due to Oromo onslaught during the medieval period.
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3. Futuh keeps talking about muslim converts coming from tigray.
Interesting. And what about the Argobba? IIRC, there were French scholars that disproved the idea that Argobba were rulers of Ifat/Adal and that they were never mentioned before the 19th century.
 
Interesting. And what about the Argobba? IIRC, there were French scholars that disproved the idea that Argobba were rulers of Ifat/Adal and that they were never mentioned before the 19th century.
The region argobba was mentioned pre 19th century, but yeah it's true there's no mention of argobba as a people prior to 20th century.
The walashama being argobba was started by a german orientalist Volker Stitz in 1970s, the only reason why walashama are linked to argobba is because it's said some of them were assimilated into argobbas.
You know futuh al habesha speaks of imam invading argobba and islamizing it?
Modern argobbas are pretty much the descendants of islamized amharas, their language is considered by some linguists as a literal dialect of amharic, not even it's own language.
 

Yami

4th Emir of the Akh Right Movement
Brother I've made 3 claims, but let's address all anyways.

1. Afars were never once mentioned in the futuh, and we know from primary Portuguese sources that they were allied to the Abyssinians and considered Adalites their "ancient enemies":
View attachment 318036

2. Modern hararis in my humble opinion are recent medieval arrivals, there's no evidence to support that they inhabited harar prior to the 16th century
View attachment 317992but infact they might've actually still been the same people as gurages during the futuh (the futuh speaks about gurages being Abyssinian subjects).
View attachment 318003
Both east gurages and hararis have sidamic substratum and are actually very closely related language (like af maxa and af maay):
View attachment 318004View attachment 318005
You know the oromo migration overran the gurage zone (possible place of origins of modern hararis) and there's many sources speaking of arrivals who ran from oromo onslaught.
The oromos went to harar after overrunning gurage zone (here's a sketch showing oromo migration and how it went, the yellow zone in the middle should be gurage not very accurate)
View attachment 318017
The Hararis (Adare) were aware of having the same origins as the gurages and they even kept this conscious awareness alive.
View attachment 318021
On top of that The oromos called both east gurages and hararis "Adare"View attachment 318030
And one good point is, you know when somalis come foreign lands they adopt the language of the people of where they reside? Like somalis in aden/mocha/mukalla speak arabic
Somalis in lamu/mombasa speak swahili
And somalis in living with afars in arena speak afar?
The roles were changed in harar, somalis used to speak their own language in the city while the vast majority of hararis spoke either galla or somali as a 2nd language (probably most of them spoke somali as a 2nd language):View attachment 318032
The name harar itself is somali and and there are many places who bear the same name
View attachment 318035
Summary: Modern Hararis are recent arrivals from the devastated Gurage zone due to Oromo onslaught during the medieval period.
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3. Futuh keeps talking about muslim converts coming from tigray.
You're onto something big. The Harari and Gurage languages fall under the same language branch in Ethio-Semitic.


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EDIT: Just saw you already addressed it 😂 top dawg behavior
 

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