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I am trying to show that early Arabs had a different sense of geography than modern Somalis do, and that both it and the country changed over time. By Ibn Batuta's time Mog was black and had a sultan Chimini and Bajunni are Swahilli languages, straight up Bantu base. The rest of that is some...

Nurse is interesting, and I don't doubt your Arabic for a moment. But there are others. This guy has spent a lifetime collecting and translating the early texts, including the Chinese and more. His site is a major resource, including literally hundreds of authors.. Here is Yakut...

Proof ? :mindblown: Here is al Masudi, died 956 AD Mūrūj adh-dhahab wa-ma'ādin al-jawāhir 'When the children of Noah parted from one another, the children of Kush (wūld Kūsh) went westwards, beyond the Nile of Egypt, then divided themselves: a part of them took the way towards the south...

SOM Interesting. What's the point though. Are you saying Arabs described barbar aka somalis as Zanj? Do you have the full quote in Arabic from Yaqut? I believe it says just black Berbers ------------------------------------------------- You guys are using post-1500 AD definitions, and you...

My academic article has 391 references. How many you got? "Towards a Definition of the Term Zanj" 11pages Tolmacheva, Marina A. Date 1986 http://www.aluka.org/action/showMetadata?doi=10.5555/AL.CH.DOCUMENT.sip200045 Go here...

Apollo is a Bantu-obsessed hyper-patriot. If something doesn't fit with his preconceived opinion, ipso facto, it is wrong. I don't find a lot on early Bantu religion and I can't speak to the others. This is 1937 and written by a Christian missionary.. What he describes sounds like what we would...

You didn't even read the article.

Aren't academic sources the pits!

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/history-in-africa/article/abs/northern-zanj-demadim-yamyam-yamyamjam-habashaahabish-zanjahabish-and-zanj-eddamadam-the-horn-of-africa-between-the-ninth-and-fifteenth-centuries/F2E7B6234727BA8C6D74502025B686F7 "This article argues that historians will...

I suppose the Bantus and Zana were about religion? Calling me an incompetent dumbass is a poor substitute for a rational response to my objections, supported as they are by academic research. I have offered to move the offending material. You need to get past your opinions being taken as hadith.

'The two most basal lineages of haplogroup A, A0 and A1 (prior to the announcement of the discovery of haplogroup A00 in 2013), have been detected in West Africa, Northwest Africa and Central Africa. Cruciani et al. (2011) suggest that these lineages may have emerged somewhere in between Central...

I am hardly embarrassed. You are still ignoring the Koisan language family, which is generally accepted and makes the Hadza and Sandawe non-isolates. The Koisan are absolutely NOT limited to South Africa as you have again recently claimed.. They are probably not even originally from there...

Stop cherry picking! (notice Zana's bar at the top left of your PCA, the second PCA and the charts) The authors were not happy with the accuracy of either PCA or the charts, so they went on: "To estimate Zana's ancestry proportion more accurately, we conducted the admixture analysis in...

Open the chart and put your glasses on. In chart "A" Zana is equadistant between Luhya and Dinka, with Hadza and Luo as the next groups. Dinka is not Bantu. In chart "B" Zana is roughly 15 points from the Kenya Bantus. The authors also compare Zana to the Yoruba, which is also not Bantu...

You are just being silly. Your link: " Here again, Zana shows ancestry components from the eastern (eg, Dinka) and western (eg, Yoruba) African groups, with no significant genetic contribution from southern, northern, and central African populations. We were unable, however, to resolve...

Glad to see this as it is important to the Bantu issues in Somalia. "Zanj" just meant African. Prior to the Omanis the VAST majority of slaves sold into Arabia, etc, came from Ethiopia and the Sudan. The Bantu slave trade north only began about 1800 and was only a big deal after the Omanis moved...

How many miles from Xamar?

I remember when you espoused Ehret's theory in The Invention of Somalia. You keep bouncing around, depending on what you have read most recently. All the data are not in yet, so I still have hope for you. https://www.somalispot.com/search/947637/? Apollo Post #171 Jan 30, 2019 Forum: Culture...

You have a sly way of avoiding the issues I present.

Barey, who is the chief source for the early Oromo, says they entered Ethiopia from the west.